navy mags

Vlim · 02-11-2004, 10:58 AM

Hi,

I agree with Ron that Nico got a bit confused over the Marine Model 1904.

It's a reasonably documented fact that the first German TRIALS were done using the 7.65MM versions, in 1900 - 1902. The 7.65MM was critized and the Germans quickly switched to 9MM and continued their trails (possibly using both 7.65 and 9MM at the same time, although I doubt that) until the adaptation of the Marine Model 1904 in 9mm.

The fact that DWM had both 7.65MM 1904 model magazines and 9mm 1904 model magazines does not prove in any way that the Germay navy adopted or used 1904 7,65mm versions and the conclusion that the concentric circles therefore were used to differentiate between them is complete speculation.

As long as the blueprints with concentric circled magazine bottoms do not show 'Marine Modell 1904' or any other proof of German navy acceptance on them, I tend to disagree with Nico's findings.

A possibility that the concentric circles were left over from an early (trial) attempt to differentiate between them is there, but it is generally speaking a bit weird, since the magazines can be used for both types, a point made earlier.

The 'we are the customer, we are right and we want circles' approach therefore makes the most sense.

Another option is that the concentric circles prevent the bottoms from developing cracks, while retaining a decent grip. Perhaps our wood working experts can comment on this?

02-11-2004, 10:58 AM	#27
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, I agree with Ron that Nico got a bit confused over the Marine Model 1904. It's a reasonably documented fact that the first German TRIALS were done using the 7.65MM versions, in 1900 - 1902. The 7.65MM was critized and the Germans quickly switched to 9MM and continued their trails (possibly using both 7.65 and 9MM at the same time, although I doubt that) until the adaptation of the Marine Model 1904 in 9mm. The fact that DWM had both 7.65MM 1904 model magazines and 9mm 1904 model magazines does not prove in any way that the Germay navy adopted or used 1904 7,65mm versions and the conclusion that the concentric circles therefore were used to differentiate between them is complete speculation. As long as the blueprints with concentric circled magazine bottoms do not show 'Marine Modell 1904' or any other proof of German navy acceptance on them, I tend to disagree with Nico's findings. A possibility that the concentric circles were left over from an early (trial) attempt to differentiate between them is there, but it is generally speaking a bit weird, since the magazines can be used for both types, a point made earlier. The 'we are the customer, we are right and we want circles' approach therefore makes the most sense. Another option is that the concentric circles prevent the bottoms from developing cracks, while retaining a decent grip. Perhaps our wood working experts can comment on this?