about grips.

sverre · 05-30-2003, 08:06 PM

are all grips without markings inside fake? and is it true that when you can move one of the grips up and down they are also fake(the safety side)?

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2003, 09:42 PM

No, I would not say that.

Especially since there are so many era's for grips. Also newer repro grips (you could say fakes) are not as well made.

From what I know, original grips usually have stampings or acceptance marks, this might be something like Eagle 655 or the serial number or last two of the serial number. On the collector guns I have or have had, one was E/655, one has the serial number and the others do not have stamps, but I do not feel they are repros or fakes, as in all appearances they are period grips.

I think there are many factors to take into account;

age, markings, stamps, look and feel to the grips and then you decide if they are period, original or fake.

Ed

Frank · 05-31-2003, 01:01 AM

Sverre, your question is difficult to answer until you identify the pistol and grip type.

If you are talking about your black widow, the grips are unmarked on the inside and could be a bit loose, because of the material shrinkage. If your black bakelite grips are original, each should contain a threaded hole on the inside that fits the threads of the grip screw. CAUTION: if you insert a screw in the threaded holes, they may chip the grips, so be really careful!!!

Most wood grips are marked with the last two digits of the serial number pressed into the wood. Some also have an inspection mark or waffenamt stamp. And some aren't marked at all.

Hope this helps!!

sverre · 05-31-2003, 08:56 AM

it helpt alot thank you! here are some pics of the grips.

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/gripsoutside.jpg

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/gripinsides.jpg

Frank · 05-31-2003, 09:29 AM

Sverre, the grips appear to be original!! Even though there are some damaged diamonds, they are still prized by collectors. Again congratulations!

sverre · 05-31-2003, 09:47 AM

thank you.

John Sabato · 06-02-2003, 10:35 AM

Sverre,

I agree with Frank... your grips appear to be genuine for your black widow... Compare them to my grips in the Old Owner's Corner...

Hugh · 06-03-2003, 10:35 AM

John,

Is that "OLD" Owners Corner, or "OLD OWNERS" Corner? To qualify, do you have to be an "OLD" owner, or do you have to own OLD guns, or both?
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John Sabato · 06-03-2003, 10:40 AM

I seem to recall that you weren't old enough to have any folders in the OLD Owners' Corner Hugh! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

( Editor's note: - for you new folks... the Old Owners' Corner was where we displayed Lugers and accessories in our collections when the Lugerforum was "new" several years ago...the link to get there is on the left frame of the Lugerforum homepage)

Edward Tinker · 06-03-2003, 11:47 AM

And to all you "old" owners of corners, the newer member gallery is really nice, once you register and make a spot on the gallery, you can add, delete, modify YOUR pictures at your whim, and no name is associated with the gallery, so that is nice!!

Ed

John Sabato · 06-03-2003, 11:48 AM

The only problem with the no name association is when I discover that someone has had serious problems in attempting to use the Member Gallery and I don't know who to help... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

sverre · 06-03-2003, 01:08 PM

i have added the grips in the membergallery, so if somebody wanna know if their bw grips are original they can compare with the pics.

Sverre.

John Sabato · 06-03-2003, 02:36 PM

Sverre,

Your grips are an excellent example of genuine grips... and your photo in the member gallery will help keep many members from making a mistake by purchasing fakes...

05-30-2003, 08:06 PM	#1
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	about grips. are all grips without markings inside fake? and is it true that when you can move one of the grips up and down they are also fake(the safety side)?

05-30-2003, 09:42 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	No, I would not say that. Especially since there are so many era's for grips. Also newer repro grips (you could say fakes) are not as well made. From what I know, original grips usually have stampings or acceptance marks, this might be something like Eagle 655 or the serial number or last two of the serial number. On the collector guns I have or have had, one was E/655, one has the serial number and the others do not have stamps, but I do not feel they are repros or fakes, as in all appearances they are period grips. I think there are many factors to take into account; age, markings, stamps, look and feel to the grips and then you decide if they are period, original or fake. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-02-2003, 10:35 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Sverre, I agree with Frank... your grips appear to be genuine for your black widow... Compare them to my grips in the Old Owner's Corner... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-03-2003, 10:35 AM	#8
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	John, Is that "OLD" Owners Corner, or "OLD OWNERS" Corner? To qualify, do you have to be an "OLD" owner, or do you have to own OLD guns, or both? <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

06-03-2003, 10:40 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I seem to recall that you weren't old enough to have any folders in the OLD Owners' Corner Hugh! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> ( Editor's note: - for you new folks... the Old Owners' Corner was where we displayed Lugers and accessories in our collections when the Lugerforum was "new" several years ago...the link to get there is on the left frame of the Lugerforum homepage) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-31-2003, 01:01 AM	#3
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Sverre, your question is difficult to answer until you identify the pistol and grip type. If you are talking about your black widow, the grips are unmarked on the inside and could be a bit loose, because of the material shrinkage. If your black bakelite grips are original, each should contain a threaded hole on the inside that fits the threads of the grip screw. CAUTION: if you insert a screw in the threaded holes, they may chip the grips, so be really careful!!! Most wood grips are marked with the last two digits of the serial number pressed into the wood. Some also have an inspection mark or waffenamt stamp. And some aren't marked at all. Hope this helps!!

05-31-2003, 08:56 AM	#4
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it helpt alot thank you! here are some pics of the grips. http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/gripsoutside.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/gripinsides.jpg

05-31-2003, 09:29 AM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Sverre, the grips appear to be original!! Even though there are some damaged diamonds, they are still prized by collectors. Again congratulations!

05-31-2003, 09:47 AM	#6
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you.

06-03-2003, 11:47 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	And to all you "old" owners of corners, the newer member gallery is really nice, once you register and make a spot on the gallery, you can add, delete, modify YOUR pictures at your whim, and no name is associated with the gallery, so that is nice!! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-03-2003, 11:48 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The only problem with the no name association is when I discover that someone has had serious problems in attempting to use the Member Gallery and I don't know who to help... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-03-2003, 01:08 PM	#12
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have added the grips in the membergallery, so if somebody wanna know if their bw grips are original they can compare with the pics. Sverre.

06-03-2003, 02:36 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Sverre, Your grips are an excellent example of genuine grips... and your photo in the member gallery will help keep many members from making a mistake by purchasing fakes... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*