luger indentification

pmes17 · 07-28-2003, 11:56 PM

I recently recived a 1912 P-08 Luger by DWM. I would like to know as much as i can about this gun heres some pics of the symbols and what the gun looks like

Edward Tinker · 07-29-2003, 12:25 AM

I lightened them and shrunk them a bit:

(photos moved to the original post by Admin-JS)

Looks like you have a nice Imperial Era Luger, maker is DWM, made in 1912. Prior to 1913, they did not have a stock lug, which is on the rear of the grip, yours is smooth; so just a little something different about your gun Phil.

Welcome to the forum!

Ed

pmes17 · 07-29-2003, 02:57 AM

was this a service gun or commercial

Pete Ebbink · 07-29-2003, 03:26 AM

Hello Phil,

Yours is a military gun, as the military proofs marks on the right side of the receiver demonstrate.

If Commercial, a DWM luger would typically have BUG proofs and a bit later, Crown/Nitro proofs...

Do you have the magazine for your nice 1912 luger ?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

George Anderson · 07-29-2003, 03:02 PM

Boys, am I missing something, or is there something strange about the "Gesichert" marking...lower case.

Frank · 07-29-2003, 03:06 PM

Hi George, I believe the markings, in red and yellow, were added to the photo, just for clarification!!

Ron Wood · 07-29-2003, 03:51 PM

That one kind of threw me too George, but Frank is on the right track. I enlarged the photo, and under the added yellow text, the GESICHERT stamping is all caps.

That is a really nice 1912 DWM. Congratulations Phil.

pmes17 · 07-30-2003, 02:42 AM

i have 2 clips that dont match the gun and a holster, but possibly what could it be worth

Edward Tinker · 07-30-2003, 05:31 AM

Depends on how original it is, looks in very nice shape, but sometimes it is hard to tell if it has been refinished.

You do seem to have an aptitude for brevity, and more information to us is always helpful. I am sure you like us giving you information and it is a bit helpful to get the same in return.

On value, it usually is something like this, condition, condition, condition.

Lets say for instance that it has a large scratch or bad pitting on the reverse, well that drops the collector value a lot. So start off at $400-$500 for a "shooter" value and go up, if it was all original, no hold open etc., in really excellent shape, maybe $1,200 - $1,500?

A holster in good shape $85-$150 depending on year and condition.

Extra magazine is worth $50 - $125

All depends on how nice it is, most guns from WW1
go from $750 - $1,000, but who knows?

I like to go to Ralph Shattucks and Simpson's websites and check prices of comparable values, then deduct 20 %, at least that is one way I check values.

Ed

07-28-2003, 11:56 PM	#1
pmes17 New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Trenton, MI Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	luger indentification I recently recived a 1912 P-08 Luger by DWM. I would like to know as much as i can about this gun heres some pics of the symbols and what the gun looks like __________________ DWM 1912 Luger

07-29-2003, 12:25 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I lightened them and shrunk them a bit: (photos moved to the original post by Admin-JS) Looks like you have a nice Imperial Era Luger, maker is DWM, made in 1912. Prior to 1913, they did not have a stock lug, which is on the rear of the grip, yours is smooth; so just a little something different about your gun Phil. Welcome to the forum! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-29-2003, 02:57 AM	#3
pmes17 New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Trenton, MI Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	was this a service gun or commercial __________________ DWM 1912 Luger

07-29-2003, 03:51 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	That one kind of threw me too George, but Frank is on the right track. I enlarged the photo, and under the added yellow text, the GESICHERT stamping is all caps. That is a really nice 1912 DWM. Congratulations Phil. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-30-2003, 02:42 AM	#8
pmes17 New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Trenton, MI Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have 2 clips that dont match the gun and a holster, but possibly what could it be worth __________________ DWM 1912 Luger

07-29-2003, 03:26 AM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Phil, Yours is a military gun, as the military proofs marks on the right side of the receiver demonstrate. If Commercial, a DWM luger would typically have BUG proofs and a bit later, Crown/Nitro proofs... Do you have the magazine for your nice 1912 luger ? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-29-2003, 03:02 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Boys, am I missing something, or is there something strange about the "Gesichert" marking...lower case.

07-29-2003, 03:06 PM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi George, I believe the markings, in red and yellow, were added to the photo, just for clarification!!

07-30-2003, 05:31 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Depends on how original it is, looks in very nice shape, but sometimes it is hard to tell if it has been refinished. You do seem to have an aptitude for brevity, and more information to us is always helpful. I am sure you like us giving you information and it is a bit helpful to get the same in return. On value, it usually is something like this, condition, condition, condition. Lets say for instance that it has a large scratch or bad pitting on the reverse, well that drops the collector value a lot. So start off at $400-$500 for a "shooter" value and go up, if it was all original, no hold open etc., in really excellent shape, maybe $1,200 - $1,500? A holster in good shape $85-$150 depending on year and condition. Extra magazine is worth $50 - $125 All depends on how nice it is, most guns from WW1 go from $750 - $1,000, but who knows? I like to go to Ralph Shattucks and Simpson's websites and check prices of comparable values, then deduct 20 %, at least that is one way I check values. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV