Rust Blued KRIEGHOFFs

Thor · 05-20-2001, 01:47 PM

Bet that got John D's attention! Charlie Kenyon, in two different publications, has stated and included pictures of a early Krieghoff "marked" Commercial Luger. Basically by the timing and serial run, it appears a 1920 DWM commercial with a slightly enlarged H&K Anchor Logo on the toggle link.

This was in the "i" block indicating, at least to me, it was made during the 1920 Commercial run (Still calls these ALPHABET Lugers). How do collectors view these Lugers? Are they legitimate or a later fake up? They werent really made BY KRIEGHOFF, assuming legitimate, but made by DWM for Krieghoff to market and sell. If this is true, they would be a Krieghoff marked rust blued Luger. Food for thought and discussion. Your opinions are appreciated and solicited. TANKS! Thor

05-21-2001, 09:06 AM

I've owned a couple of these 1921 dated DWM/KHs in the past. They don't have the KH logo on the toggle, rather the back of the frame, above the lanyard loop, is stamped "Kreighoff/Suhl". These appear inthe 2000i to 8000i range of postWW1 DWM production. See Gibson's book for more details.

John D. · 05-21-2001, 09:32 AM

are DWM manufactured. Common theory is that HK purchased about 8000 directly from DWM to sell into the commercial market (as noted that the majority have the "GERMANY" imprint). Almost exclusively, they had DWM toggles and KRIEGHOFF SUHL marked on the rear of the pistol (back of the frame). Without exception on all reported samples - the second "F" in KRIEGHOFF is always "out of line" (sort of like it was added as an after-thought!!)

Also, there are some which DO have HK marked toggles or blank toggles. Being SIGNIFICANTLY rarer - they are worth a great deal more in the collectors market. (for example - there is only ONE recorded DWM rework with an HK toggle..!!!).. As well - along with the sideframe inscribed - these are the most often "fake" Kriegs out there...

These Lugers are of obvious DWM manufaturing given the machining of the lug, the DWM rear hump, the interior machining of the reciever assembly, the larger DWM CROWN N stamps (some had the smaller HK Crown N), and other indications...

HTH....!!!!

Thor · 05-21-2001, 09:37 AM

Kenyon quotes two types, one with the logo on the frame and one on the toggle link! I do need to get Gibson Book! Thor

05-20-2001, 01:47 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Rust Blued KRIEGHOFFs Bet that got John D's attention! Charlie Kenyon, in two different publications, has stated and included pictures of a early Krieghoff "marked" Commercial Luger. Basically by the timing and serial run, it appears a 1920 DWM commercial with a slightly enlarged H&K Anchor Logo on the toggle link. This was in the "i" block indicating, at least to me, it was made during the 1920 Commercial run (Still calls these ALPHABET Lugers). How do collectors view these Lugers? Are they legitimate or a later fake up? They werent really made BY KRIEGHOFF, assuming legitimate, but made by DWM for Krieghoff to market and sell. If this is true, they would be a Krieghoff marked rust blued Luger. Food for thought and discussion. Your opinions are appreciated and solicited. TANKS! Thor

05-21-2001, 09:06 AM	#2
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Rust Blued KRIEGHOFFs I've owned a couple of these 1921 dated DWM/KHs in the past. They don't have the KH logo on the toggle, rather the back of the frame, above the lanyard loop, is stamped "Kreighoff/Suhl". These appear inthe 2000i to 8000i range of postWW1 DWM production. See Gibson's book for more details.

05-21-2001, 09:32 AM	#3
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 478 Thanked 517 Times in 129 Posts	Tom is correct, these... are DWM manufactured. Common theory is that HK purchased about 8000 directly from DWM to sell into the commercial market (as noted that the majority have the "GERMANY" imprint). Almost exclusively, they had DWM toggles and KRIEGHOFF SUHL marked on the rear of the pistol (back of the frame). Without exception on all reported samples - the second "F" in KRIEGHOFF is always "out of line" (sort of like it was added as an after-thought!!) Also, there are some which DO have HK marked toggles or blank toggles. Being SIGNIFICANTLY rarer - they are worth a great deal more in the collectors market. (for example - there is only ONE recorded DWM rework with an HK toggle..!!!).. As well - along with the sideframe inscribed - these are the most often "fake" Kriegs out there... These Lugers are of obvious DWM manufaturing given the machining of the lug, the DWM rear hump, the interior machining of the reciever assembly, the larger DWM CROWN N stamps (some had the smaller HK Crown N), and other indications... HTH....!!!!

05-21-2001, 09:37 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Re: Rust Blued KRIEGHOFFs Kenyon quotes two types, one with the logo on the frame and one on the toggle link! I do need to get Gibson Book! Thor