Long Short Frame Question

The Wizard · 06-19-2002, 09:34 AM

I was looking through Harry E. Jones' "Luger Variation (copyrighted 1975)and cam across this statement "Some of the New Style Lugers have the "long" frame/receiver; among these are the 1906 Swiss, 1906 Naval, 1906 American Eagle (7.65 m/m), 1906 Commerical (7.65 m/m), and the 1908 Naval.". I thought that from 1906 on all Luger frames/receivers except for the 1906 Swiss (were long at the Swiss request) were of the short varity. What say the gruop?
The Wizard

Pete Ebbink · 07-04-2002, 01:59 PM

Hey Forum members,

This post back on 6-19-02 never got a reply.

I think we were all fired up on those other "hot' topics and this interesting question fell in a crack...

Ron Wood · 07-04-2002, 02:14 PM

Harry was/is correct. However, only the very early "Gesichert" marked 1906 Commercial and American Eagle Lugers had the long frame, the remainder have the short frame. The thought on these eary 1906 long frames is that they were produced from over-run frames from the 1906 Commercial Navy production. Navy models continued with the long frame until the 1914 model.

Johnny Peppers · 07-04-2002, 02:52 PM

The long frames are found interspersed all the way through '06 production. The last one I have recorded is a late 37000 range Swiss Commercial. Just prior to this serial number are several '06 AE's with the long frame. I also have record of an '06 Navy Commercial in the 54000 range with the long frame.

Ron Wood · 07-04-2002, 07:38 PM

Johnny,
You would think I would have learned by now never to use the word "only" when it pertains to Lugers! When it comes to commercials, probably "primarily" or "predominantly" would be better. It is logical for the Swiss commercial and the '06 Navy commercial to have the long frame, but for other commercials it is hit or miss. I think that DWM never threw anything away, and when it came time to run off a batch of commercials, they used whatever frames were in stock for grip safety models. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

06-19-2002, 09:34 AM	#1
The Wizard User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Long Short Frame Question I was looking through Harry E. Jones' "Luger Variation (copyrighted 1975)and cam across this statement "Some of the New Style Lugers have the "long" frame/receiver; among these are the 1906 Swiss, 1906 Naval, 1906 American Eagle (7.65 m/m), 1906 Commerical (7.65 m/m), and the 1908 Naval.". I thought that from 1906 on all Luger frames/receivers except for the 1906 Swiss (were long at the Swiss request) were of the short varity. What say the gruop? The Wizard __________________ The Wizard Air Dropable AND Ground Recoverable Necat omnes! Deus suos agnoscet. The application of the proper amount of high explosives can solve any problem. War is an act of force and to the application of that force there is no limit! So say the philosophers (Carl von Clausewitz b 1780 d 1831) of war.

07-04-2002, 02:14 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Harry was/is correct. However, only the very early "Gesichert" marked 1906 Commercial and American Eagle Lugers had the long frame, the remainder have the short frame. The thought on these eary 1906 long frames is that they were produced from over-run frames from the 1906 Commercial Navy production. Navy models continued with the long frame until the 1914 model. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-04-2002, 07:38 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Johnny, You would think I would have learned by now never to use the word "only" when it pertains to Lugers! When it comes to commercials, probably "primarily" or "predominantly" would be better. It is logical for the Swiss commercial and the '06 Navy commercial to have the long frame, but for other commercials it is hit or miss. I think that DWM never threw anything away, and when it came time to run off a batch of commercials, they used whatever frames were in stock for grip safety models. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-04-2002, 01:59 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Forum members, This post back on 6-19-02 never got a reply. I think we were all fired up on those other "hot' topics and this interesting question fell in a crack...

07-04-2002, 02:52 PM	#4
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The long frames are found interspersed all the way through '06 production. The last one I have recorded is a late 37000 range Swiss Commercial. Just prior to this serial number are several '06 AE's with the long frame. I also have record of an '06 Navy Commercial in the 54000 range with the long frame.