OT photos of a 1916 Colt Govt. Model...

John Holbrook · 12-30-2002, 05:26 PM

I bought this Colt yesterday. All correct and original. Ain't she a beauty. Colt wishes they could make guns like this now.... Can't help bragging....

John D. · 12-30-2002, 05:48 PM

Hi John.....

WOW ...!!!! It's a beauty!!!! Outstanding!!!

Yes - I know this thread really should be in the "General Forum" - but I'm too busy looking at the pictures to move it just now [img]eek.gif[/img]

Outstanding!!!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2002, 05:50 PM

Must have been doing it while you were reading!

Yes John (both) I love the 1911 and think this is just a beauty!!

Ed

John D. · 12-30-2002, 05:52 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
<strong>Must have been doing it while you were reading!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey Ed..!!!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

Now - that's pretty funny - when I posted - I looked at the topic and saw that someone had closed it - and moved it!! LOL!!!!!

Isn't that picture and Colt OUTSTANDING!!!!!!

schwob · 12-30-2002, 08:48 PM

Congratulations john, it is a beauty. I have a couple of these myself...almost as nice as yours, with just a litle more hi-spot wear. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Navy · 12-30-2002, 09:04 PM

Congrats on a truly beautiful slabside. Gawd, how I love M1911s. Had the occasion about 33 years ago to .. one in a gunfight during the unpleasantries in S.E. Asia. Very impressive effects on moving human targets. Sorta flipped him, cart wheel style, into the air when hit with a lower buttock shot from the enfilade.

I know the guy was on the morning report at Uncle Ho's Surgical Evac Hospital the next day and I think his morale musta been low. Bet he can predict a change in the weather before the weatherman, just as I can now. Amazing how war wounds stick around. Amazing what one of those fishing sinkers can do at 850 FPS.

Told Number 2 son, who is out ... hunting, to always use a M1911 if he could; luckily he is with a ...and he said"Dad, we don't use those Beretta ***** mouse guns." Also advised him, like he needs advice from this old fart, always shoot 'em twice. Ammo is cheap.

Loving 45 ACP almost as much as Navy Lugers,

Tom A.

John Holbrook · 12-30-2002, 09:51 PM

Oh Tom, I had the ocassion to depend on this .45 to save my butt on July 13, 1967 in a rice paddy near the Go Cong River. In a gunfight that lasted under 4 seconds I got one shot stops on 3 small gentlemen wearing black pajamas. God bless the .45 ACP. I told my wife of many, many years to never put me in the position of having to choose between her and this Colt.......

This Colt has not been fired from that day to this.....

There is an old proverb that goes like this.

"THERE IS NO SECOND PLACE WINNER IN A GUNFIGHT".

kidvett · 12-30-2002, 10:13 PM

John,

CONGRATS! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Very nice pistols! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

It seems that 1911's are liked the world over by most of us...A 45 is still a 45 and a COLT is a COLT....just got a great Christmas gift from a friend: an all original 1877 Lightning 38 cal sixshooter...

I also found a nice Commercial 1911 that I couldnt pass...and I'm waiting a WWI US Military Colt pistol made in 1918...

By the way, I sent you a PM...cause I need your expertize on those 1911's... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

Navy · 12-31-2002, 06:55 AM

John,

You and I share very similar experiences and appreciation for John Browning's masterpiece.

I have one that is historically significant. It was carried by LTC. Leon Rollman, the first American to enter Yokohama and Tokyo after the cease fire in Aug-Sept 1945. Its a late 1943 production Colt in unfired condition with a Scovile mag and the original holster. Rollman's notarized statement about the piece says he carried the piece in his musette bag wrapped in oil cloth throughout the war. I have the musette bag also. Am trying to find a home for it to bank roll some recent Luger acquisitions.

Interesting piece with impeccable provenance.

Tom A.

John Sabato · 12-31-2002, 12:07 PM

Hey John... Nice Colts... They are my First favorite gun. Lugers are a close second.

I know the author of your proverb...

His name was Bill Jordan... a U.S. Border Patrolman (now deceased).

He authored an excellent book on gunfighting by almost the same title:

"No Second Place Winner"

I can remember watching a film clip of Bill Jordan back in the early 70's showing him balancing a ping pong ball on the back of his extended hand. He then dropped his hand and drew a .357 magnum and shot the ball as it passed his beltline... the man was FAST.

The book is recommended reading for this current generation of gun enthusiasts.

John Holbrook · 12-31-2002, 01:13 PM

John, I read Jordan's book many years ago.. My father and Mother were both the Sheriff of San Patricio County, Texas and here is a photo of their badges. I met many members of the Border Patrol and Texas Ranger during that time.

They were the type of LEO that we don't see much of today. My father had a good friend in the Rangers named Ralph Rohatch and when he passed away his wife gave me the Colt Super .38 he carried. The Colt Govt. Model that my father carried, I gave to my eldest son years ago and he carried it in Desert Storm.

My son said that one day when the wind and sand were so bad they couldn't fly, He walked into the desert with the old Colt and his issue M9 Beretta and fired them both. The M9 went about 5 round and jammed from the sand, the Colt kept shooting as long as he kept feeding it .45ACP....

He called the M9, "His Wop pop gun"...... Heh, Heh

John Sabato · 12-31-2002, 01:23 PM

Neat badge display and neat memories John...

Thanks for sharing.

John Holbrook · 12-31-2002, 04:03 PM

Tom A. I have a nice coffortable home that I can provide for the Colt you have. It would be among friends with documented stories of their own!!!!

John Holbrook
holbrook@attbi.com
360-671-8522

Navy · 12-31-2002, 11:21 PM

Hey John,

If you are serious, we can talk. Have a physician up in "down east" Maine also making serious "come hither" sounds. She ain't cheap, and in her military finish, she ain't nearly as purty as that one you showed us but she is a wonderful piece of history in damn near new condition!

Will send you a personal email with details if you are interested; I also have lots of pics available, which I will send you but not post here because life is too short to deal with such vexations.

Tom A

Edward Tinker · 12-31-2002, 11:27 PM

Hey Tom, make sure you send me some high detailed pictures of her before she is gone! (and any others with story).

And if you would like me to post them for you... I'd be glad to [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ed

John Holbrook · 01-01-2003, 11:48 AM

Tom, here is an example of the type of .45 I collect and display..... BTW, I also have all the things listed on the chit, nice package....

So contact me.... If I acquire the Colt, I will display it and it will appear on the Internet.

(John H, I adjusted the file size of your photo so that it could be uploaded to our host... I couldn't get it to appear in your post otherwise... another NICE Colt! --regards, John Sabato)

John Holbrook · 01-01-2003, 11:57 AM

ED, I have the story behind gunfight in 'Nam in the above mentioned post. I'll e-mail you a copy..

John H.

saxman · 01-04-2003, 03:27 PM

Who ever thought you could see such fabulous .45s on the Luger Forum? Thanks, guys for showing us these wonderful pistols with their rich histories.

12-30-2002, 05:26 PM	#1
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OT photos of a 1916 Colt Govt. Model... I bought this Colt yesterday. All correct and original. Ain't she a beauty. Colt wishes they could make guns like this now.... Can't help bragging.... __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

12-30-2002, 05:50 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Must have been doing it while you were reading! Yes John (both) I love the 1911 and think this is just a beauty!! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-30-2002, 09:51 PM	#7
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh Tom, I had the ocassion to depend on this .45 to save my butt on July 13, 1967 in a rice paddy near the Go Cong River. In a gunfight that lasted under 4 seconds I got one shot stops on 3 small gentlemen wearing black pajamas. God bless the .45 ACP. I told my wife of many, many years to never put me in the position of having to choose between her and this Colt....... This Colt has not been fired from that day to this..... There is an old proverb that goes like this. "THERE IS NO SECOND PLACE WINNER IN A GUNFIGHT". __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

12-31-2002, 12:07 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hey John... Nice Colts... They are my First favorite gun. Lugers are a close second. I know the author of your proverb... His name was Bill Jordan... a U.S. Border Patrolman (now deceased). He authored an excellent book on gunfighting by almost the same title: "No Second Place Winner" I can remember watching a film clip of Bill Jordan back in the early 70's showing him balancing a ping pong ball on the back of his extended hand. He then dropped his hand and drew a .357 magnum and shot the ball as it passed his beltline... the man was FAST. The book is recommended reading for this current generation of gun enthusiasts. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-31-2002, 01:13 PM	#11
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, I read Jordan's book many years ago.. My father and Mother were both the Sheriff of San Patricio County, Texas and here is a photo of their badges. I met many members of the Border Patrol and Texas Ranger during that time. They were the type of LEO that we don't see much of today. My father had a good friend in the Rangers named Ralph Rohatch and when he passed away his wife gave me the Colt Super .38 he carried. The Colt Govt. Model that my father carried, I gave to my eldest son years ago and he carried it in Desert Storm. My son said that one day when the wind and sand were so bad they couldn't fly, He walked into the desert with the old Colt and his issue M9 Beretta and fired them both. The M9 went about 5 round and jammed from the sand, the Colt kept shooting as long as he kept feeding it .45ACP.... He called the M9, "His Wop pop gun"...... Heh, Heh __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

12-30-2002, 05:48 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi John..... WOW ...!!!! It's a beauty!!!! Outstanding!!! Yes - I know this thread really should be in the "General Forum" - but I'm too busy looking at the pictures to move it just now [img]eek.gif[/img] Outstanding!!!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

12-30-2002, 05:52 PM	#4
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Edward Tinker: <strong>Must have been doing it while you were reading!</strong><hr></blockquote> Hey Ed..!!!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img] Now - that's pretty funny - when I posted - I looked at the topic and saw that someone had closed it - and moved it!! LOL!!!!! Isn't that picture and Colt OUTSTANDING!!!!!!

12-30-2002, 08:48 PM	#5
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Congratulations john, it is a beauty. I have a couple of these myself...almost as nice as yours, with just a litle more hi-spot wear. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

12-30-2002, 09:04 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Congrats on a truly beautiful slabside. Gawd, how I love M1911s. Had the occasion about 33 years ago to .. one in a gunfight during the unpleasantries in S.E. Asia. Very impressive effects on moving human targets. Sorta flipped him, cart wheel style, into the air when hit with a lower buttock shot from the enfilade. I know the guy was on the morning report at Uncle Ho's Surgical Evac Hospital the next day and I think his morale musta been low. Bet he can predict a change in the weather before the weatherman, just as I can now. Amazing how war wounds stick around. Amazing what one of those fishing sinkers can do at 850 FPS. Told Number 2 son, who is out ... hunting, to always use a M1911 if he could; luckily he is with a ...and he said"Dad, we don't use those Beretta ***** mouse guns." Also advised him, like he needs advice from this old fart, always shoot 'em twice. Ammo is cheap. Loving 45 ACP almost as much as Navy Lugers, Tom A.

12-30-2002, 10:13 PM	#8
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	John, CONGRATS! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Very nice pistols! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] It seems that 1911's are liked the world over by most of us...A 45 is still a 45 and a COLT is a COLT....just got a great Christmas gift from a friend: an all original 1877 Lightning 38 cal sixshooter... I also found a nice Commercial 1911 that I couldnt pass...and I'm waiting a WWI US Military Colt pistol made in 1918... By the way, I sent you a PM...cause I need your expertize on those 1911's... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

12-31-2002, 06:55 AM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	John, You and I share very similar experiences and appreciation for John Browning's masterpiece. I have one that is historically significant. It was carried by LTC. Leon Rollman, the first American to enter Yokohama and Tokyo after the cease fire in Aug-Sept 1945. Its a late 1943 production Colt in unfired condition with a Scovile mag and the original holster. Rollman's notarized statement about the piece says he carried the piece in his musette bag wrapped in oil cloth throughout the war. I have the musette bag also. Am trying to find a home for it to bank roll some recent Luger acquisitions. Interesting piece with impeccable provenance. Tom A.

12-31-2002, 01:23 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Neat badge display and neat memories John... Thanks for sharing. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-31-2002, 04:03 PM	#13
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom A. I have a nice coffortable home that I can provide for the Colt you have. It would be among friends with documented stories of their own!!!! John Holbrook holbrook@attbi.com 360-671-8522 __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

12-31-2002, 11:21 PM	#14
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hey John, If you are serious, we can talk. Have a physician up in "down east" Maine also making serious "come hither" sounds. She ain't cheap, and in her military finish, she ain't nearly as purty as that one you showed us but she is a wonderful piece of history in damn near new condition! Will send you a personal email with details if you are interested; I also have lots of pics available, which I will send you but not post here because life is too short to deal with such vexations. Tom A

12-31-2002, 11:27 PM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Hey Tom, make sure you send me some high detailed pictures of her before she is gone! (and any others with story). And if you would like me to post them for you... I'd be glad to [img]smile.gif[/img] Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-01-2003, 11:48 AM	#16
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom, here is an example of the type of .45 I collect and display..... BTW, I also have all the things listed on the chit, nice package.... So contact me.... If I acquire the Colt, I will display it and it will appear on the Internet. (John H, I adjusted the file size of your photo so that it could be uploaded to our host... I couldn't get it to appear in your post otherwise... another NICE Colt! --regards, John Sabato) __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

01-01-2003, 11:57 AM	#17
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ED, I have the story behind gunfight in 'Nam in the above mentioned post. I'll e-mail you a copy.. John H. __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

01-04-2003, 03:27 PM	#18
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Who ever thought you could see such fabulous .45s on the Luger Forum? Thanks, guys for showing us these wonderful pistols with their rich histories. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.