All things equal

Roadkill · 10-25-2003, 08:23 AM

All things equal, is an artillery Luger more accurate than a standard model? No race guns, no modifications, no sweetheart ammo loads, just straight guns as issued using milspec ammo, a LP08 and a military model side by side on a 25yd range.

rk

wterrell · 10-25-2003, 08:35 AM

rk,
I wrote a reply to your query that was a masterpiece of sarcasm, spoof, and smug remarks, but I repented and deleted it. It is of no advantage to tell a man that his sweet little daughter is gawd-awful ugly.

Roadkill · 10-25-2003, 09:23 AM

Repenting/confession and hence redemption and calm have not appeared often in your forum personality Wes. I think (yeah, ya'll get a hoot out of that)what you are saying is that it was too damn nasty to print and upon reflection and the potential negative personal attention bestowed liberally albeit deservedly by John/John you decided, as I have also on many occasions, to remove it. So send it to me by PM. I'd love to read it.

rk

Doubs · 10-25-2003, 11:39 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Roadkill:
All things equal, is an artillery Luger more accurate than a standard model? ...a LP08 and a military model side by side on a 25yd range.
rk<hr /></blockquote>Hand held? IMO, yes. From a Ransom Rest? I doubt you could tell the difference.

Dwight Gruber · 10-25-2003, 11:56 AM

Hand-held (as Doubs notes) on a 25-yard range, I can shoot my 1917 LP-08 more accurately than my (extremely accurate) 1936 S/42. I believe this has more to do with the longer sight radius, increased mass, and center of mass of the Artillery, than any innate difference in accuracy capability.

Logic would dictate that, from a rest or fixed firing position, the LP-08 would be inherently more accurate, but the difference would not begin to be notable until you reached distances -well- beyond 25 yards.

--Dwight

MikeP · 10-25-2003, 03:46 PM

This has been kicked about before but I will resubmit that the sight radius on a LP08 is actually shorter than on a standard model.

My experience is that it is somewhat easier to shoot accurately with the standard model if you are not using the stock.

The stock added to the LP08 changes that.

Dwight Gruber · 10-25-2003, 09:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MikeP:
This has been kicked about before but I will resubmit that the sight radius on a LP08 is actually shorter than on a standard model.<hr /></blockquote>Correct. I just measured it, the sight radius of the 4" barrel, 9mm Luger is 3/4" longer than the sight radius of an LP-08.

So its the mass and where its located which makes it more accurate for me.

Actually, with a stock, the sights are so close to my eyes and the sight picture is -so- rotten that it somewhat counters the additional steadiness the stock provides.

--Dwight

10-25-2003, 08:23 AM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	All things equal All things equal, is an artillery Luger more accurate than a standard model? No race guns, no modifications, no sweetheart ammo loads, just straight guns as issued using milspec ammo, a LP08 and a military model side by side on a 25yd range. rk

10-25-2003, 08:35 AM	#2
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	rk, I wrote a reply to your query that was a masterpiece of sarcasm, spoof, and smug remarks, but I repented and deleted it. It is of no advantage to tell a man that his sweet little daughter is gawd-awful ugly. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-25-2003, 11:39 AM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Roadkill: <strong>All things equal, is an artillery Luger more accurate than a standard model? ...a LP08 and a military model side by side on a 25yd range. rk</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hand held? IMO, yes. From a Ransom Rest? I doubt you could tell the difference.

10-25-2003, 09:55 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by MikeP: <strong>This has been kicked about before but I will resubmit that the sight radius on a LP08 is actually shorter than on a standard model.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Correct. I just measured it, the sight radius of the 4" barrel, 9mm Luger is 3/4" longer than the sight radius of an LP-08. So its the mass and where its located which makes it more accurate for me. Actually, with a stock, the sights are so close to my eyes and the sight picture is -so- rotten that it somewhat counters the additional steadiness the stock provides. --Dwight

10-25-2003, 09:23 AM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Repenting/confession and hence redemption and calm have not appeared often in your forum personality Wes. I think (yeah, ya'll get a hoot out of that)what you are saying is that it was too damn nasty to print and upon reflection and the potential negative personal attention bestowed liberally albeit deservedly by John/John you decided, as I have also on many occasions, to remove it. So send it to me by PM. I'd love to read it. rk

10-25-2003, 11:56 AM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Hand-held (as Doubs notes) on a 25-yard range, I can shoot my 1917 LP-08 more accurately than my (extremely accurate) 1936 S/42. I believe this has more to do with the longer sight radius, increased mass, and center of mass of the Artillery, than any innate difference in accuracy capability. Logic would dictate that, from a rest or fixed firing position, the LP-08 would be inherently more accurate, but the difference would not begin to be notable until you reached distances -well- beyond 25 yards. --Dwight

10-25-2003, 03:46 PM	#6
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	This has been kicked about before but I will resubmit that the sight radius on a LP08 is actually shorter than on a standard model. My experience is that it is somewhat easier to shoot accurately with the standard model if you are not using the stock. The stock added to the LP08 changes that.