Persian Arty Luger Serial Number Duplication

Kyrie · 09-25-2004, 03:05 PM

Hi Folks!

Just had something really interesting happen. I received an e-mail, with photos of a Luger attached, from a fellow requesting information on said Luger. He was of the opinion it was a Persian Artillery and, after looking at the photos, I concurred.

The interesting part of all this is the close up photo of the left side of his Luger showed what appears to be a serial number that is identical to the serial number of my Persian Artillery. Here is the photo of his Luger, photos of mine are already posted in the Old OwnersÃ¢?? Corner.

Your thoughts and comments are solicited :-)

Warm regards,

Kyrie

Pete Ebbink · 09-25-2004, 04:27 PM

Kyrie's photo :

Imperial Arms · 09-25-2004, 04:37 PM

Hello Kyrie,

There are different pistols where the last digit (9) is different; one has a slanted 'tail' and the other is straight. I presume that both pistols are far apart in the serial range because Farsi numbers are read from right to left and the far right digit could result in at least one thousand pistols in spread.

Cheers,
Albert

policeluger · 09-25-2004, 05:10 PM

The top "9" is in correct Farsi script, the bottom "9" does not appear to be in correct Farsi script. The "9" would always be a somewhat diamond shape with the down leg coming off the right side of the diamond. This comes not from a study of Iranian Lugers, but from my dim past learning Farsi as a child from Mother and Grandmother...

Vlim · 09-25-2004, 05:57 PM

Well,

To make things easier, it seems that Mauser used both '9' styles. Walter shows a Farsi-Mauser cutaway which has the straight 9 and also shows a Farsi LP08 which has a slanted 9.

PAOLO · 09-26-2004, 01:02 PM

Hi
What do you think about the lack of the U/Crowns Proof on the receiver of one of the guns?

Dwight Gruber · 09-26-2004, 01:53 PM

Paolo,

Good call.

According to Costanzo, Persian Lugers from 1935 do not have a crown/U on the left receiver along with the Farsi date, but Persian Lugers from 1937 do.

In "Luger-The Multinational Pistol" Kenyon pictures both a 4" and an Artillery, both with c/U, and a cutaway without.

In "Axis Pistols" Still pictures an LP with the Persian crown proof on the right receiver, and a crown/U Oberndorf proof on the left.

Walter, in "The Luger Book", does not mention a c/U proof. He pictures left-side views of a standard 4" and an LP, both with c/U, and a cutaway which does not have it (a different gun from Kenyon). The 4" pictured in Walters's "The Luger Story" has a c/U proof.

--Dwight

09-25-2004, 03:05 PM	#1
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Persian Arty Luger Serial Number Duplication Hi Folks! Just had something really interesting happen. I received an e-mail, with photos of a Luger attached, from a fellow requesting information on said Luger. He was of the opinion it was a Persian Artillery and, after looking at the photos, I concurred. The interesting part of all this is the close up photo of the left side of his Luger showed what appears to be a serial number that is identical to the serial number of my Persian Artillery. Here is the photo of his Luger, photos of mine are already posted in the Old OwnersÃ¢?? Corner. Your thoughts and comments are solicited :-) Warm regards, Kyrie

09-26-2004, 01:02 PM	#6
PAOLO User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cremona, Italy Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi What do you think about the lack of the U/Crowns Proof on the receiver of one of the guns? __________________ PAOLO

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Kyrie's photo :

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Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Hello Kyrie, There are different pistols where the last digit (9) is different; one has a slanted 'tail' and the other is straight. I presume that both pistols are far apart in the serial range because Farsi numbers are read from right to left and the far right digit could result in at least one thousand pistols in spread. Cheers, Albert

09-25-2004, 05:10 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	The top "9" is in correct Farsi script, the bottom "9" does not appear to be in correct Farsi script. The "9" would always be a somewhat diamond shape with the down leg coming off the right side of the diamond. This comes not from a study of Iranian Lugers, but from my dim past learning Farsi as a child from Mother and Grandmother...

09-25-2004, 05:57 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,046 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,946 Times in 1,197 Posts	Well, To make things easier, it seems that Mauser used both '9' styles. Walter shows a Farsi-Mauser cutaway which has the straight 9 and also shows a Farsi LP08 which has a slanted 9.

09-26-2004, 01:53 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Paolo, Good call. According to Costanzo, Persian Lugers from 1935 do not have a crown/U on the left receiver along with the Farsi date, but Persian Lugers from 1937 do. In "Luger-The Multinational Pistol" Kenyon pictures both a 4" and an Artillery, both with c/U, and a cutaway without. In "Axis Pistols" Still pictures an LP with the Persian crown proof on the right receiver, and a crown/U Oberndorf proof on the left. Walter, in "The Luger Book", does not mention a c/U proof. He pictures left-side views of a standard 4" and an LP, both with c/U, and a cutaway which does not have it (a different gun from Kenyon). The 4" pictured in Walters's "The Luger Story" has a c/U proof. --Dwight