Swiss Artillery Luger Pic 1

EricO · 05-06-2003, 12:43 AM

This is the Swiss Artillery of my previous posts.

Edward Tinker · 05-06-2003, 01:31 AM

Eric, that is the url of the picture on your own hard drive, so if you can get the picture to John D's server it'll show up, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> , I know figuring this out can be a pain. There is a picture tutorial under the Site Help and Feedback section.

If you still have trouble, send me an e-mail with the picture and I'll post it for you,

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Edward Tinker · 05-11-2003, 04:18 PM

Pictures posted for Eric,

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 05-11-2003, 09:48 PM

Eric, Fascinating photo's. What are some of the details? Matching to barrel? What is the barrel length? Looks to be about 6" ? Anything of interest you have noticed? Jerry Burney

Big Norm · 05-12-2003, 12:51 AM

I agree with Jerry, the front of the barrel seems to have been cut off. There isn't a crown on the front of the barrel and the front sight seems to be different (no dovetail). The serial numbers don't match either. The serial number on the rear sight is '79'. The serial number on the left side of the frame in the same picture is difficult to see but I will bet a cold one that the last two digits are not '79'.
Big Norm

Lugerdoc · 05-12-2003, 09:54 AM

Eric et al, I've owned at least half a dozen LPO8s with the shortened (by 1/2") barrels. These were cut off a the rear of the front barrel band and a fixed C96 front sight added. My theory as to why this was done, is that these all originally had the fine tune front sights, which either froze-up or the sight blade and/or adjusting screw were lost. Rather that remanufacturing these parts, this was the easiest method, to put them back into service. TH

John Sabato · 05-12-2003, 10:20 AM

But no one has a comment about the Artillery Barrel being installed on a Swiss upper receiver????????

To the best of my limited Luger knowledge (about 40 years worth) The swiss didn't issue any Artillery Models...

Could someone who owns Bobba's book on the Swiss Lugers please verify this?

EricO, just out of curiosity, is the muzzle of the barrel flat or has it been crowned? ...and it is still a great looking Luger...but then I haven't met too many Lugers that I didn't like

Thanks.

Pete Ebbink · 05-12-2003, 11:16 AM

John,

Although Bobba does show a photo of a Germany LP-08, no mention of Swiss-issued arties is mentioned.

My guess is this is a parts gun that could possibly have gone to Switzerland and had the swiss cross engraved so it could be used at federal shooting ranges & clubs...

If it were made up with an existing swiss receiver, I think the chamber stamping would be nicer and roll-die stamped.

Another possibility is that this gun was made up in "Waffenfabrik, USA" to look like a swiss artillery to catch the un-suspecting...

Eric; having said all that, I think your gun is lovely and must be a lot of fun to shoot...!

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Big Norm · 05-12-2003, 02:36 PM

John,
I did not want to comment on the apparent Swiss receiver because I could not see the little notch that would be cut into the front of the receiver to accomodate the artillery rear sight. Without this notch, the rear sight would ride a tad high. I don't have a Swiss Cross in Sunburst so I could not comment on the placement of the decal on the chamber. But it does seem to be a bit low.
Big Norm

Ron Wood · 05-12-2003, 03:26 PM

This is just my WAG but I would guess it is a 1920's or so era Swiss rework by a commercial firm/gunsmith. The chamber marking to me does not look engraved, but rather an "aftermarket" die stamp, definitely not an official Swiss Waffenfabrik roll die. I have no documentation or source to substantiate this, just an observation based on the quality of workmanship and overall appearance of the piece. As Lugerdoc has pointed out, this barrel configuration is sometimes encountered and I think he is correct that it is an expedient modification to repair an otherwise serviceable barrel that has suffered front sight/muzzle damage. Again this is just my opinion, so take it with a 5 pound bag of salt.

05-06-2003, 12:43 AM	#1
EricO New User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Swiss Artillery Luger Pic 1 This is the Swiss Artillery of my previous posts.

05-06-2003, 01:31 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Eric, that is the url of the picture on your own hard drive, so if you can get the picture to John D's server it'll show up, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> , I know figuring this out can be a pain. There is a picture tutorial under the Site Help and Feedback section. If you still have trouble, send me an e-mail with the picture and I'll post it for you, mailto:66mustang@palouse.com66mustang@palouse.com</a> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-11-2003, 04:18 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Pictures posted for Eric, Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-11-2003, 09:48 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Eric, Fascinating photo's. What are some of the details? Matching to barrel? What is the barrel length? Looks to be about 6" ? Anything of interest you have noticed? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-12-2003, 09:54 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Eric et al, I've owned at least half a dozen LPO8s with the shortened (by 1/2") barrels. These were cut off a the rear of the front barrel band and a fixed C96 front sight added. My theory as to why this was done, is that these all originally had the fine tune front sights, which either froze-up or the sight blade and/or adjusting screw were lost. Rather that remanufacturing these parts, this was the easiest method, to put them back into service. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-12-2003, 12:51 AM	#5
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I agree with Jerry, the front of the barrel seems to have been cut off. There isn't a crown on the front of the barrel and the front sight seems to be different (no dovetail). The serial numbers don't match either. The serial number on the rear sight is '79'. The serial number on the left side of the frame in the same picture is difficult to see but I will bet a cold one that the last two digits are not '79'. Big Norm

05-12-2003, 10:20 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	But no one has a comment about the Artillery Barrel being installed on a Swiss upper receiver???????? To the best of my limited Luger knowledge (about 40 years worth) The swiss didn't issue any Artillery Models... Could someone who owns Bobba's book on the Swiss Lugers please verify this? EricO, just out of curiosity, is the muzzle of the barrel flat or has it been crowned? ...and it is still a great looking Luger...but then I haven't met too many Lugers that I didn't like Thanks. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-12-2003, 11:16 AM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	John, Although Bobba does show a photo of a Germany LP-08, no mention of Swiss-issued arties is mentioned. My guess is this is a parts gun that could possibly have gone to Switzerland and had the swiss cross engraved so it could be used at federal shooting ranges & clubs... If it were made up with an existing swiss receiver, I think the chamber stamping would be nicer and roll-die stamped. Another possibility is that this gun was made up in "Waffenfabrik, USA" to look like a swiss artillery to catch the un-suspecting... Eric; having said all that, I think your gun is lovely and must be a lot of fun to shoot...! Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

05-12-2003, 02:36 PM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	John, I did not want to comment on the apparent Swiss receiver because I could not see the little notch that would be cut into the front of the receiver to accomodate the artillery rear sight. Without this notch, the rear sight would ride a tad high. I don't have a Swiss Cross in Sunburst so I could not comment on the placement of the decal on the chamber. But it does seem to be a bit low. Big Norm

05-12-2003, 03:26 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	This is just my WAG but I would guess it is a 1920's or so era Swiss rework by a commercial firm/gunsmith. The chamber marking to me does not look engraved, but rather an "aftermarket" die stamp, definitely not an official Swiss Waffenfabrik roll die. I have no documentation or source to substantiate this, just an observation based on the quality of workmanship and overall appearance of the piece. As Lugerdoc has pointed out, this barrel configuration is sometimes encountered and I think he is correct that it is an expedient modification to repair an otherwise serviceable barrel that has suffered front sight/muzzle damage. Again this is just my opinion, so take it with a 5 pound bag of salt. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction