Luger pics

Ohio Arty · 02-16-2004, 10:23 AM

Thanks for the directions on how to paste in the urls. I've got about six or seven pictures ready to upload, but I have probably about 30 more that I can post. I took at least one of every serial number on the gun, so if there is one that would help that I haven't included in this post, tell me which one you need and I'll find it. Thanks!

-OA
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LU1900 · 02-16-2004, 11:00 AM

Hello
Can I have the year 17 or 18 and the letter suffix please because the transition for the micro sight
Thanks for all...........Pat

Ohio Arty · 02-16-2004, 08:34 PM

The date is 1917 and the letter suffix is "h".

Pete Ebbink · 02-16-2004, 09:02 PM

Hello Aaron,

Thanks for posting your LP-08 Artillery (aka Arty) luger photos.

Looks like an honest piece that has seen some use and some areas of active rust that should be dealt with.

If this were my gun and associated with my grandfather (his WWI trophy) I would personally keep it in my family.

When a gun and grips get to the level of wear yours displays, I would be tempted to consider a well-done restoration job by fellows like Ted Greene (here on the LF) and others.

If she were mine, I would send this gun off to Ted so this gun could be brought back to its heyday...but this in IMHO, only.

I think a vaulation of your Arty, now, would be in the $ 700-900 price range. Others on the LF may have other and contrary opinions...

p.s.

Your front sight is of the fixed type. Is your rear sight fine-tune adjustable. That is, looking from the top-down, is there a round adjustment screw with two little holes in it ? If not, your rear sight is a fixed type too. The year 1917 was when the transition from both adjustable to either adjustable to both fixed occurred. By 1918, both sights were fixed.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ohio Arty · 02-17-2004, 08:58 PM

Pete, the rear sight is adjustible. I definately plan on keeping the piece; being an engineer, I'm facinated by the mechanics and esthetics in addition to the personal connection.
You mentioned that there are some active rust areas-(I noticed that the picture really makes them stand out- they aren't really that noticeable)- what can I do about that? Obviously, I want to contain the damage that's there and prevent any more from occuring. Any suggestions? I normally put a light oil on about every month or so, is there anything else I should do?
One last thing. Since I intend to keep the Arty in the family, what would a restoration do to the value of the piece? I've heard some people say that it will make it worthless as a collector's piece, and others say it won't hurt. I don't want to ruin the piece, so any advise would be much appreciated.
Thanks,

-Aaron

Big Norm · 02-17-2004, 08:59 PM

There are also serial numbers on the adjustible part of the rear sight on the right hand side. This is called the tang of the sight. Serial numbers are also on the rear of the rear sight. These numbers will be very small. If your grips are original, there will also be two digit serial numbers on the underside of them.

Your artillery ain't pretty, but it may not be in all that bad a shape. The red in your pictures may not be rust. It may be grease. I didn't see any pitting. A good rubbing with some felt such as window insulation and lots of oil could clean up a lot of any freakling rust. I didn't see the front and rear straps of the grips to see if there was any pitting there. Thats not uncommon. Probably caused by salt from the hands during usage.

Lots of unusual wear on the one grip. But if its numbered to the gun, then do not discard. A recheckering may only make matters worse. The condition of the grips will look out of place on a worn gun. Do not get any oil on the wood grips. Be careful taking the grips off. There is a little spur on the left side up by the safety that can easily break off if you get too rough. It is unrepairable if you break it. Its best to take the right grip off first and then push the left grip off from the inside near the bottom. Be careful and go slow.

There is not much you can do with the scratches on the metal. How is the bore?

Sometimes pictures show too much and can make a gun look uglier than it really is. Of course, from viewing guns on the internet, the opposite is also true. I've gotten some real dogs that looked great in pictures.

I don't know your experience with Lugers. But I think that a good disassembling of your Luger, a good cleaning and a nice fresh coat of oil might make you feel better about your prize. Do it on something where you will be able to find all the parts again (like a white bed sheet. Some of the parts are quite small and can be lost. On the ejector, wear some glasses. It can sometimes shoot out and hit you in the face while your trying to take it out. Don't rush your little project because you will have to remember how to put it back together again.

Don't take out that big spring in the handle until you get to feel comfortable disassembling your Luger. For new people, it can be tricky. Have fun and good luck!
Big Norm

Big Norm · 02-17-2004, 09:26 PM

Aaron,
after posting my last message I read your last message that you posted while I wrote my book. There are many different types of Luger lovers out there. Serious collectors do not like to see a restored gun. These are the people who pay the big money for them. Other people want to have a pretty gun. Others just want something to go bang, bang with. But they pay less for them. Your artillery has not been messed with. If your artillery has got a lot of pitting, then restoration might not be a good thing. The same goes if your gun has a real bad bore. As a collector, I would say that, if your artillery is a family heirloom, I would keep it the way it is. Just give it a good cleaning and oiling and love it.

Possibly the only thing that I would consider is maybe putting a coat of dark walnut wood stain on the grips. Especially, that ugly one. But not too heavily.
Big Norm

02-16-2004, 10:23 AM	#1
Ohio Arty New User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger pics Thanks for the directions on how to paste in the urls. I've got about six or seven pictures ready to upload, but I have probably about 30 more that I can post. I took at least one of every serial number on the gun, so if there is one that would help that I haven't included in this post, tell me which one you need and I'll find it. Thanks! -OA <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dwm_copy2.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dwm_copy2.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftgrip.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftgrip.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftgripclose.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftgripclose.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftserial.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftserial.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rightgrip.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rightgrip.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rightprofile.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rightprofile.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftprofile.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/leftprofile.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ "When in doubt, defer to the man with the automatic rifle."

02-16-2004, 11:00 AM	#2
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 912 Thanks: 46 Thanked 473 Times in 199 Posts	Hello Can I have the year 17 or 18 and the letter suffix please because the transition for the micro sight Thanks for all...........Pat __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

02-16-2004, 08:34 PM	#3
Ohio Arty New User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The date is 1917 and the letter suffix is "h". __________________ "When in doubt, defer to the man with the automatic rifle."

02-17-2004, 08:58 PM	#5
Ohio Arty New User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, the rear sight is adjustible. I definately plan on keeping the piece; being an engineer, I'm facinated by the mechanics and esthetics in addition to the personal connection. You mentioned that there are some active rust areas-(I noticed that the picture really makes them stand out- they aren't really that noticeable)- what can I do about that? Obviously, I want to contain the damage that's there and prevent any more from occuring. Any suggestions? I normally put a light oil on about every month or so, is there anything else I should do? One last thing. Since I intend to keep the Arty in the family, what would a restoration do to the value of the piece? I've heard some people say that it will make it worthless as a collector's piece, and others say it won't hurt. I don't want to ruin the piece, so any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks, -Aaron __________________ "When in doubt, defer to the man with the automatic rifle."

02-16-2004, 09:02 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Aaron, Thanks for posting your LP-08 Artillery (aka Arty) luger photos. Looks like an honest piece that has seen some use and some areas of active rust that should be dealt with. If this were my gun and associated with my grandfather (his WWI trophy) I would personally keep it in my family. When a gun and grips get to the level of wear yours displays, I would be tempted to consider a well-done restoration job by fellows like Ted Greene (here on the LF) and others. If she were mine, I would send this gun off to Ted so this gun could be brought back to its heyday...but this in IMHO, only. I think a vaulation of your Arty, now, would be in the $ 700-900 price range. Others on the LF may have other and contrary opinions... p.s. Your front sight is of the fixed type. Is your rear sight fine-tune adjustable. That is, looking from the top-down, is there a round adjustment screw with two little holes in it ? If not, your rear sight is a fixed type too. The year 1917 was when the transition from both adjustable to either adjustable to both fixed occurred. By 1918, both sights were fixed. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-17-2004, 08:59 PM	#6
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	There are also serial numbers on the adjustible part of the rear sight on the right hand side. This is called the tang of the sight. Serial numbers are also on the rear of the rear sight. These numbers will be very small. If your grips are original, there will also be two digit serial numbers on the underside of them. Your artillery ain't pretty, but it may not be in all that bad a shape. The red in your pictures may not be rust. It may be grease. I didn't see any pitting. A good rubbing with some felt such as window insulation and lots of oil could clean up a lot of any freakling rust. I didn't see the front and rear straps of the grips to see if there was any pitting there. Thats not uncommon. Probably caused by salt from the hands during usage. Lots of unusual wear on the one grip. But if its numbered to the gun, then do not discard. A recheckering may only make matters worse. The condition of the grips will look out of place on a worn gun. Do not get any oil on the wood grips. Be careful taking the grips off. There is a little spur on the left side up by the safety that can easily break off if you get too rough. It is unrepairable if you break it. Its best to take the right grip off first and then push the left grip off from the inside near the bottom. Be careful and go slow. There is not much you can do with the scratches on the metal. How is the bore? Sometimes pictures show too much and can make a gun look uglier than it really is. Of course, from viewing guns on the internet, the opposite is also true. I've gotten some real dogs that looked great in pictures. I don't know your experience with Lugers. But I think that a good disassembling of your Luger, a good cleaning and a nice fresh coat of oil might make you feel better about your prize. Do it on something where you will be able to find all the parts again (like a white bed sheet. Some of the parts are quite small and can be lost. On the ejector, wear some glasses. It can sometimes shoot out and hit you in the face while your trying to take it out. Don't rush your little project because you will have to remember how to put it back together again. Don't take out that big spring in the handle until you get to feel comfortable disassembling your Luger. For new people, it can be tricky. Have fun and good luck! Big Norm

02-17-2004, 09:26 PM	#7
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Aaron, after posting my last message I read your last message that you posted while I wrote my book. There are many different types of Luger lovers out there. Serious collectors do not like to see a restored gun. These are the people who pay the big money for them. Other people want to have a pretty gun. Others just want something to go bang, bang with. But they pay less for them. Your artillery has not been messed with. If your artillery has got a lot of pitting, then restoration might not be a good thing. The same goes if your gun has a real bad bore. As a collector, I would say that, if your artillery is a family heirloom, I would keep it the way it is. Just give it a good cleaning and oiling and love it. Possibly the only thing that I would consider is maybe putting a coat of dark walnut wood stain on the grips. Especially, that ugly one. But not too heavily. Big Norm