Latest News on the British Ban on Handguns

[Patrick]

Secretary of State Lord Bassan of Brighton has just answered a question in the House as to the the statistics on the illegal use of handguns for the year 2000: 42 murders, 310 attempted murders, 2561 robberies and 204 burglaries occurred connected to the illegal use of handguns throughout the country (no handguns whatsoever are legal in Britain). This represents a one third INCREASE compared to 1999 and is the third and largest increase since the ban in 1977.Bassan made no comment on these statistics.So now we can calculate how many murders etc Tony Blair would have on his conscience if he had one.

[John Sabato]

have been trying to get this message across to the rest of the country for YEARS!


Gun Control DOESN'T WORK!


Our Canadian friends to the north will be learning this lesson up front and personal in the next few years...


Support the NRA, GOA, and VOTE against ant-gun politicians whenever you can.


Thanks for the report Patrick!

-J

[Rick K]

Amen Patrick and John. I'm an active member of the NRA and I try to send them money to carry on the fight when I can. Don't get me started on my soap box 'cause I tend to rant and carry on.

[Todd]

I shudder to think what will become of all those Lugers when we're forced to turn in our guns here.


In today's Washington Post, an editorial called for a complete national halt to the sale of ALL handguns.


we're probably OK for the next couple of years, but I don't think the long-term outlook is good


just my two cents....

[Mark M.]

Gruss Gott,Alle!

I joined the NRA a scant 2 years ago!Prior to that

"life-changing" decission,I have to admit also that I

hadn't voted for some 20 years.I still believe that

the cards are stacked against freedom-loving Americans,but I feel I have to at "least" put up some

semblence of a fight!My life expectancy may not be

the longest in history,but I would like to go into

Ewigkeit with the belief that some things are more

enduring than my frail self.Es lebe the "Second

Amendment"!! Es lebe Lugers!!!


Tschuss! Mark M.

[Milt Keller]

Maybe this message should go to Washington!

Milt

[Rick K]

I'm with you Mark!

[Ted]

In England, they take the Lugers and fill the barrel with Concrete to DEACTIVATE them for "Collectors" I AINT making this up! I know this strikes me at my soul, keep the right to bear arms solid and keep us free in the USA.......or we are next!!!!! Ted

[Rick K]

Concrete in Luger barrells? UGH!

[Matt]

The euphemism for gun confiscation by the Australian government was "buy back." This is not only absurd propaganda, it is grammatically incorrect because you can't buy something back you never owned in the first place!

[Ted]

I know it is a sickening thought! Just to make a graphic point, we need to prevent that if possible here. Most of the world's Lugers are in the US now I think(correct me if that is wrong) which is good! MOST of us know how to take good care of them! Not people with the initials BS, RO'D, CS, DF, BC, HC (barfo) and one of the biggest hypocrits AB.

#1 is a singer, #2 is a pig, #3 is a senator, #4 is too, #5 is a has been and #6 is the hasbeens senator wife, anybody guess #7? He said on David Letterman's show, "We ought to take CH's family out and shoot them" Now my friends, when they insult my president like that, them is fighten words, but dont get me on my soap box! Ted

[Matt]

That's just a guess. I didn't see the show. As far as musicians go, at least Ted Nugent, Charlie Daniels and Hank Williams Jr., to name a few, are on our side! Another hypocrite is actor MD, who doesn't mind using firearms in movies, including one that was discussed on this forum.

[Ted]

Yes, you got it right and Mr Douglas is of the same breed, pity!

[Milt Keller]

Ted:


That little bastard AB actually thinks he can act, poor boy! He's nothing like an actor! Bogart has NOTHING to worry about...even dead all these years!


Milt

[RET]

Just because you might be paranoid does not mean that they are NOT out to get you!


It is the firm and stated intention of many gun control activists to remove all firearms from the hands of the general public, and make no mistake: this will include confiscation of ALL guns, including collections. You have only to look at California the see the Second Amendment as well as other rights be ignored.


The anti-gun politicians do not care about truth or statistics; they only care about their own agendas and objectives. I can not speculate on their reasons (although I do not think that they are benevolent), but the misguided people who follow along are perhaps more innocent and certainly more ignorant.


These unfortunates want the world to be as they would have it, and can not accept it as it is. They ignore reality, chant phrases about making the world a safer place, saving the children, etc., and engage in actions such as the "Muddled Mom March" (sic).


The media and "celebrities" who promote anti gun propaganda and encourage the general public to follow along are hypocritical as well as misguided. I will use "misguided" and avoid calling them vermin as some people have because I am not sure it is always accurate or deserved. However, I haven't heard that the Kennedys, and others like them, insist that their bodyguards not carry firearms, nor have I seen any of the so-called actors declining to accept parts in movies that require them to use guns.


None of these people really want to pour concrete down the barrel of Lugers, or any other firearm so that these weapons may be "safely" collected. That is only a delaying tactic in their war of attrition.


What they really want is to melt them down and turn them all into manhole covers for septic sewers, and to reeducate the erstwhile owners along with anyone else who wants to have anything to do with a firearm for any reason. Collectors of firearms are probably at the top of the lists. Therapy sessions after the visit to the foundry, anyone?


Honesty plays no part on their side of this struggle, and neither does logic. One of the arguments often given to justify the ban on "assault weapons" (whatever they might be) is that semi automatic weapons did not exist when the Constitution was framed, and therefore, whether the Second Amendment is valid or not, it has no application to these types of weapons. This neatly sidesteps having the argument about the Second Amendment for the moment and allows them to control certain types of guns now.


Divide and conquer is an effective strategy but this is also base sophistry. They seem to miss the fact that the same reasoning could be applied to the concept of freedom of the press: TV, radio, computers, and etc., were unknown then also. This chain of logic would mean that only documents produced on hand powered Guttenberg printing presses can claim such freedom.


Attitudes have changed: when I was in high school, students would bring rifles on the bus to participate in shooting matches, and no one gave it a second thought. There were no massacres then. It will be a long uphill fight to change things, but we can not give an inch. There can be no compromise: appeals for "reasonable" gun control are merely devices to further the anti gun agenda.


Actively participate if you can, but set a good example and encourage others at all times, vote, send letters and email to your state and federal representatives (be polite, brief, resolute, and clear) and join or, at the very least, send money to organizations that support our beliefs.


I did not mean to rant for so long, but I am concerned.


Bob

[John Sabato]

Best summary I have seen in a long time. It is about time that liberals were made to understand that the only reason that they have any freedoms in this country is that the second amendment protects the rest of the amendments that espouse our freedoms from evaporating into political smoke and ash...


-John

[Rick K]

Well said! That's a good point about Gutenburg printing presses and the 1st ammendment. The framers of the constitution made their thoughts about the 2nd ammendment clear in The Federalist Papers. They said in no uncertain terms that with the 2nd ammendment, they intended for the private citizen to be as well armed as any contemporary army fielded by the government. They fully expected that any government, including a representative republic like our own, to become tyrannical sooner or later. They wanted to give us the means to resist a government that has turned against the people it governs. The important thing to remember about the second ammendment is that it doesn't give us the right to bear arms, it merely recognizes that our creator gives us the right to bear arms and that right cannot be taken away from us by mere men!

[John Sabato]

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."


It just couldn't be any plainer than that!


-J

[Rick K]

Amen John. However these liberals believe that all power flows from Washington to the people instead of the other way around. BTW how do you do bold, underline, and italics in these posts?

[Bob Egan]

In New York City it is all but impossible to legally own a gun.To apply for a rifle permit requires hours at an office in remote Queens,is expensive, and must be renewed regularly and if you forget to do so, the police come to your house for your guns. Ammo can not be bought except for the caliber of your registered gun.This I personally know to be true as a reenactor:The federal parks department requires that French and Indian and Revolutionary War reenactors "register" their flintlock muskets by inscribing their social security numbers on them and giving the info on a federal form in order to participate in reenactments on Federal Park Property.This happened at Crown Point,NY a few years ago.It is possible that the rule is no longer in force, but the idea is outrageous and an indication of the fanaticism of our philosophical enemies.The Parks Dept. is also pushing ideas of reenactments with out using guns! This is not made up or exaggerated.