Dutch M11 Grips

Vlim · 01-19-2003, 10:12 AM

Hi,

As promised: These are the color pictures of the grips on a dutch frame # 2850:

The left side is the original DWM grip (1913). The other side is a GS (Geweermakersschool) replacement.

Both are stamped with the frame number (2850) and the GS grip has the GS mark added (no cartouche around the GS mark).

Backsides:

Frontsides:

Detail DWM serial number:

Detail GS serial number:

Have fun,

Gerben

JohnF · 01-19-2003, 10:22 AM

My M11 has one GS marked grip and one with no marking at all - or at least none discernible - they are pretty worn.

Pete Ebbink · 01-19-2003, 11:22 AM

Hello Gerben,

Thanks so much for the photo posting.

It is very educational, especially to see the checkering pattern difference betweeen GS and DWM.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 01-19-2003, 11:52 AM

JohnF,
I find that the Dutch coarse checkered grips are a mixed bag. I have those grips with the GS marking and serial number, serial number but no GS, and no markings at all. Some are well made and others a bit crude. So, I don't know if they are all Dutch, but the checkering pattern is very similar on all of them.

Vlim · 01-21-2003, 09:36 AM

Hi,

Perhaps some logic that might work:

Original grips (DWM/Mauser):
-fine checkering + serial number

Original Vickers Grips:
-coarse checkering + serial number

GS Replacement Grips:
-coarse checkering + GS + serial number

Post-1946 Grips:
-All of the above, including unmarked grips.
Several possibilities: Indonesia could have
re-used GS stock that was left behind, explaining unnumbered grips. They might have produced replacement grips when supplies ran low, as they did with holsters. I would expect these grip variations on 'indonesia' marked dutch lugers (five-pointed star).

01-19-2003, 10:12 AM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Dutch M11 Grips Hi, As promised: These are the color pictures of the grips on a dutch frame # 2850: The left side is the original DWM grip (1913). The other side is a GS (Geweermakersschool) replacement. Both are stamped with the frame number (2850) and the GS grip has the GS mark added (no cartouche around the GS mark). Backsides: Frontsides: Detail DWM serial number: Detail GS serial number: Have fun, Gerben

01-19-2003, 11:52 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	JohnF, I find that the Dutch coarse checkered grips are a mixed bag. I have those grips with the GS marking and serial number, serial number but no GS, and no markings at all. Some are well made and others a bit crude. So, I don't know if they are all Dutch, but the checkering pattern is very similar on all of them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-19-2003, 10:22 AM	#2
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	My M11 has one GS marked grip and one with no marking at all - or at least none discernible - they are pretty worn.

01-19-2003, 11:22 AM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Gerben, Thanks so much for the photo posting. It is very educational, especially to see the checkering pattern difference betweeen GS and DWM. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-21-2003, 09:36 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Hi, Perhaps some logic that might work: Original grips (DWM/Mauser): -fine checkering + serial number Original Vickers Grips: -coarse checkering + serial number GS Replacement Grips: -coarse checkering + GS + serial number Post-1946 Grips: -All of the above, including unmarked grips. Several possibilities: Indonesia could have re-used GS stock that was left behind, explaining unnumbered grips. They might have produced replacement grips when supplies ran low, as they did with holsters. I would expect these grip variations on 'indonesia' marked dutch lugers (five-pointed star).