URGENT! Luger barrel #s??

Ron Smith · 03-09-2004, 04:12 PM

I am going to look at a 1914 ERFURT "Navy" (6") commercial.
Should there be any proofs or marks on barrel, other than Ser#?? Need to know ASAP!.

Thanks! Ron

Ron Wood · 03-09-2004, 07:17 PM

Ron,
There is no such thing as an Erfurt Navy commercial. Erfurt did not make 6" barrel Lugers and being a government arsenal, they produced only military Lugers, no commercials.

Ron Smith · 03-09-2004, 07:33 PM

Ron,
Thanks! I nearly, in my impulsive nature, made a costly mistake. George Anderson , also gave me the same information. Thanks again! Maybe I'll learn to slow down in the future.If we ever meet. The "Wild Turkey Lattes" are on me!

Ron

Pete Ebbink · 03-09-2004, 08:59 PM

Ron,

Both Ron and Geo. gave you very sound advice.

Not sure what the asking price for this made-up 6" luger might be, but if reasonable ( $ 400-600)...do not discount it as a shooter...especially if fit with a real (or repro) Navy rear sight.

My 6" 30 cal. luger and my 8" 9 mm luger are some of the most enjoyable guns in my shooter collection...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

George Anderson · 03-09-2004, 10:01 PM

Here in the South we don't drink no lattes. We drink Wild Turkey in the more perfect and pure state.

Ron Smith · 03-09-2004, 10:13 PM

Peter,
It's a pretty "heavily" re-blued Erfurt 1914
I was confused by "Lugers at Random" pg 176. I read the text, but failed to notice that this pertained to "Double dated" Lugers.I thought if I had in deed found a rare 6" Erfurt. It would be worth restoring. The guy is asking $799.00. I offered $700.00, he said yes. He lives about 110 mi away. I was going to meet him halfway, tonight, until I got word from George and Ron. I canceled. Check "Gunsamerica", Luger, pg 2, his name is Walter. That's the gun.
Thanks again guys! Ron

Russ · 03-09-2004, 10:23 PM

Ron
Go into The Barrons Den in south Sprigfeild. He always has a few nice lugers in there. And you can shoot a real Tompson while you are at it.

Walter Emanoffer is the owner. He is a real nice man to deal with. And he has a realy cool shop.
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
Russ

Edward Tinker · 03-09-2004, 10:52 PM

Ron, Russ won't steer you wrong, he is one-class dude, and I trust him with your life

Seriously, if Russ thinks they are good, believe him.

Also, $700 is a bit high for a shooter, but not a bad price? As a 6 inch barrel would cost you a $100 to install?

ed

Ron Smith · 03-09-2004, 10:53 PM

Russ,
I've known Walt for years. I just bought two P.38s, a Sig 220 in 30 Luger,and a 1934 Mauser from the Estate he has on consignment. He's only got one Swiss commercial, $2595.00. And a "bunch" of HI-Powers. I live about 7mi from his store. We call it Walt's museum. "If you want to buy it fine!If you want to talk about it, thats fine too!Just don't expect any discounts!" Great Guy. He made a fortune as an arms importer. This is his retirement play room.
Ron

Edward Tinker · 03-09-2004, 11:07 PM

Ron, that is great, will make a trip to meet Walt, sounds like my type of guy!

If you can make the Reno show, do it (I can't make this one), buy some stuff from Russ, as we use and abuse his table as a point of reference! )

Ed

Russ · 03-09-2004, 11:23 PM

Ed
Your magazine is going out in the morning. I will put a check in there for you.

Ron
I have known Walt for about 10 years and you are rite. No deals at all.

Russ

Edward Tinker · 03-09-2004, 11:26 PM

no check dude, I am sure I owe you for gas or hotel, or something! Just get me that 1929 rig for a good price

heh, heh,

ed

John Sabato · 03-10-2004, 09:10 AM

Yaknow... $700 isn't that bad a price for a 6 inch shooter if it has a NAVY rear sight on it, repro sights cost about $350-400 new..., but it certainly wouldn't have much collector value.

If it is a parts gun, you have to be sure that the front sight base is the correct size for a Navy rear sight... this sight base is taller to work with the taller rear sight... If it is a new standard 6" barrel, it would shoot WAY high if the sight base is too low.

Ron Smith · 03-10-2004, 09:35 AM

John, It's not a true NAVY. It's just a 6" re-barreled, "buffed" and re-blued Erfurt.

Russ,
Have you ever heard about the time the Oregon state hiway crew blew up the whale carcas at Yachats, back in the 80s? They blocked traffic on 101, and packed it full of Dynamite, when they set it off, a 200lb chunk landed on the roof of the first car in line? That was Walt's brand new Buick. Just bought it, and his wife was in the car. Have him tell you about it, you'll laugh your butt off. It's not that funny, but the way he tells the story is hillarious.

Ron

Ron Smith · 03-10-2004, 09:55 AM

Ed,
Walt is kind of a legend around this area. He's a big rolly-polly German from NJ. He's got a really neat store. He's got ceiling fan-lamps, (belt driven) and solid oak display cases, out of an 1800s San Fransisco Hotel. Check www.thebaronsden.com. It's not a real good picture, but will give you an idea.
I wish I knew what all he has in his personal collection. He's got a NAZI mothers medal,in the box,(8 Kids), signed by Himmler. On display at the store.Just an example.
Ron
PS The dopey lookin' character in the picture is Ray. He gives the handgun classes, and runs the store for Walt.Good Guy.

Ron Smith · 03-10-2004, 10:24 AM

Ed, When is the Reno show? Maybe I'll ride my bike
down, and check it out.
Ron

Dwight Gruber · 03-10-2004, 11:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ron Smith:
Ed, When is the Reno show? Maybe I'll ride my bike
down, and check it out.
Ron<hr /></blockquote>http://www.bigrenoshow.com/

Ron Smith · 03-10-2004, 12:25 PM

Dwight,
Thanks! I think I'll go.

Ron

Pete Ebbink · 03-11-2004, 01:06 PM

Ron,

If you switch to the "Gunshow" section on the Luger Forum, you will see some more info about the Reno show in April.

Several of us hang out at Russ Withem's/Ken Coyle'
s tables A-13/A-14 and we get together for steak dinners on Friday night at the Hilton's Steak House. You are welcomed to join us.

Regards,

Pete.. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Russ · 03-11-2004, 09:03 PM

Ron Smith
Yes I have herd that story. Very funny!

If you are intrested in collectable guns you should go to the Reno show. Lots of guns and lots of fun!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Pete
Don't you think that the new guy should buy dinner? <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

Russ

03-09-2004, 04:12 PM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	URGENT! Luger barrel #s?? I am going to look at a 1914 ERFURT "Navy" (6") commercial. Should there be any proofs or marks on barrel, other than Ser#?? Need to know ASAP!. Thanks! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-09-2004, 07:17 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Ron, There is no such thing as an Erfurt Navy commercial. Erfurt did not make 6" barrel Lugers and being a government arsenal, they produced only military Lugers, no commercials. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2004, 07:33 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ron, Thanks! I nearly, in my impulsive nature, made a costly mistake. George Anderson , also gave me the same information. Thanks again! Maybe I'll learn to slow down in the future.If we ever meet. The "Wild Turkey Lattes" are on me! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-09-2004, 10:13 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Peter, It's a pretty "heavily" re-blued Erfurt 1914 I was confused by "Lugers at Random" pg 176. I read the text, but failed to notice that this pertained to "Double dated" Lugers.I thought if I had in deed found a rare 6" Erfurt. It would be worth restoring. The guy is asking $799.00. I offered $700.00, he said yes. He lives about 110 mi away. I was going to meet him halfway, tonight, until I got word from George and Ron. I canceled. Check "Gunsamerica", Luger, pg 2, his name is Walter. That's the gun. Thanks again guys! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-09-2004, 10:23 PM	#7
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ron Go into The Barrons Den in south Sprigfeild. He always has a few nice lugers in there. And you can shoot a real Tompson while you are at it. Walter Emanoffer is the owner. He is a real nice man to deal with. And he has a realy cool shop. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

03-09-2004, 08:59 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, Both Ron and Geo. gave you very sound advice. Not sure what the asking price for this made-up 6" luger might be, but if reasonable ( $ 400-600)...do not discount it as a shooter...especially if fit with a real (or repro) Navy rear sight. My 6" 30 cal. luger and my 8" 9 mm luger are some of the most enjoyable guns in my shooter collection... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

03-09-2004, 10:01 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Here in the South we don't drink no lattes. We drink Wild Turkey in the more perfect and pure state.

03-09-2004, 10:52 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Ron, Russ won't steer you wrong, he is one-class dude, and I trust him with your life Seriously, if Russ thinks they are good, believe him. Also, $700 is a bit high for a shooter, but not a bad price? As a 6 inch barrel would cost you a $100 to install? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-09-2004, 10:53 PM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Russ, I've known Walt for years. I just bought two P.38s, a Sig 220 in 30 Luger,and a 1934 Mauser from the Estate he has on consignment. He's only got one Swiss commercial, $2595.00. And a "bunch" of HI-Powers. I live about 7mi from his store. We call it Walt's museum. "If you want to buy it fine!If you want to talk about it, thats fine too!Just don't expect any discounts!" Great Guy. He made a fortune as an arms importer. This is his retirement play room. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-09-2004, 11:07 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Ron, that is great, will make a trip to meet Walt, sounds like my type of guy! If you can make the Reno show, do it (I can't make this one), buy some stuff from Russ, as we use and abuse his table as a point of reference! ) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-09-2004, 11:23 PM	#11
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ed Your magazine is going out in the morning. I will put a check in there for you. Ron I have known Walt for about 10 years and you are rite. No deals at all. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

03-09-2004, 11:26 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	no check dude, I am sure I owe you for gas or hotel, or something! Just get me that 1929 rig for a good price heh, heh, ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-10-2004, 09:10 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Yaknow... $700 isn't that bad a price for a 6 inch shooter if it has a NAVY rear sight on it, repro sights cost about $350-400 new..., but it certainly wouldn't have much collector value. If it is a parts gun, you have to be sure that the front sight base is the correct size for a Navy rear sight... this sight base is taller to work with the taller rear sight... If it is a new standard 6" barrel, it would shoot WAY high if the sight base is too low. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-10-2004, 09:35 AM	#14
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	John, It's not a true NAVY. It's just a 6" re-barreled, "buffed" and re-blued Erfurt. Russ, Have you ever heard about the time the Oregon state hiway crew blew up the whale carcas at Yachats, back in the 80s? They blocked traffic on 101, and packed it full of Dynamite, when they set it off, a 200lb chunk landed on the roof of the first car in line? That was Walt's brand new Buick. Just bought it, and his wife was in the car. Have him tell you about it, you'll laugh your butt off. It's not that funny, but the way he tells the story is hillarious. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-10-2004, 09:55 AM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, Walt is kind of a legend around this area. He's a big rolly-polly German from NJ. He's got a really neat store. He's got ceiling fan-lamps, (belt driven) and solid oak display cases, out of an 1800s San Fransisco Hotel. Check www.thebaronsden.com. It's not a real good picture, but will give you an idea. I wish I knew what all he has in his personal collection. He's got a NAZI mothers medal,in the box,(8 Kids), signed by Himmler. On display at the store.Just an example. Ron PS The dopey lookin' character in the picture is Ray. He gives the handgun classes, and runs the store for Walt.Good Guy. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-10-2004, 10:24 AM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, When is the Reno show? Maybe I'll ride my bike down, and check it out. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-10-2004, 11:17 AM	#17
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ron Smith: <strong>Ed, When is the Reno show? Maybe I'll ride my bike down, and check it out. Ron</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">http://www.bigrenoshow.com/

03-10-2004, 12:25 PM	#18
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dwight, Thanks! I think I'll go. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-11-2004, 01:06 PM	#19
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, If you switch to the "Gunshow" section on the Luger Forum, you will see some more info about the Reno show in April. Several of us hang out at Russ Withem's/Ken Coyle' s tables A-13/A-14 and we get together for steak dinners on Friday night at the Hilton's Steak House. You are welcomed to join us. Regards, Pete.. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

03-11-2004, 09:03 PM	#20
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ron Smith Yes I have herd that story. Very funny! If you are intrested in collectable guns you should go to the Reno show. Lots of guns and lots of fun!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Pete Don't you think that the new guy should buy dinner? <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!