BYF 41 Toggle Pin Question??

lugercollector · 01-27-2003, 05:18 PM

I have a BYF 41 Serial#195a in excellent condition... all matching ...the toggle pin is not numbered except for a 0.05 stamped on rh side....is this a factory oversize pin??...any feedback would be welcome...Thanks...

Frank · 01-27-2003, 06:45 PM

Peter, yes it's an Armors's Replacement! That isn't the way it came from the factory, however!!

Lonnie Zimmerman · 01-27-2003, 07:19 PM

Something like this would not bother me to much as far as being a collectable. I am sure others will not agree.
Lonnie

Dwight Gruber · 01-27-2003, 10:42 PM

I'm with Lonnie. To me it passes muster as Authentic, and will only make a difference in value at the highest level of matching and condition.

--Dwight

Silvereagle29 · 01-29-2003, 12:12 AM

Hi
After 1932, all military pistols were required to have a numbered rear pin. Not so prior to this time. That is one way to check the originality of a WW-1 Luger, No numbered pin. Actually, the replacement (oversize) pin gives your Luger a touch of class, totally correct as far as I'm concerned.

ESU · 01-31-2003, 12:55 PM

I have a BYF42 and the pin is un-numbered, I guess it should have been. All other small parts are numbered with the last 2 digits of the serial #, does this greatly diminish the value? Thx.

Silvereagle29 · 01-31-2003, 09:13 PM

In my opinion, its incorrect. Look for a correct numbered rear pin. On the other hand. I'm just a small collector and learn from all the other collectors.
D

ESU · 02-03-2003, 07:11 PM

Just where do I find a correct numbered pin??

Frank · 02-04-2003, 04:37 AM

Cory, they are tough to find. You might try Tom Heller (lugerdoc) at Hellerarms@webtv.net

Good Luck!!

Aaron · 02-04-2003, 06:54 PM

I understand that rear toggle pins came in various sizes and were hand selected for each gun. Therefore, even if you find a pin with the correct number there may be only a one in five chance that it will fit properly.

Lugerdoc · 02-05-2003, 04:50 AM

Aaron, I beg to differ with your comments above. Just about all lugers with the exception of the M1900 and Navys made after 1906, were set up to use the standard PO8 axel, if in spec. The 0.05 - 0.20mm oversized axels were only used after some wear had occurred and the holes in the receiver and rear toggle link had stretch out of round. I've never had a used luger that would accept and oversized axel over 0.05mm.

01-27-2003, 07:19 PM	#3
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Something like this would not bother me to much as far as being a collectable. I am sure others will not agree. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

02-05-2003, 04:50 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Aaron, I beg to differ with your comments above. Just about all lugers with the exception of the M1900 and Navys made after 1906, were set up to use the standard PO8 axel, if in spec. The 0.05 - 0.20mm oversized axels were only used after some wear had occurred and the holes in the receiver and rear toggle link had stretch out of round. I've never had a used luger that would accept and oversized axel over 0.05mm. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-27-2003, 05:18 PM	#1
lugercollector User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	BYF 41 Toggle Pin Question?? I have a BYF 41 Serial#195a in excellent condition... all matching ...the toggle pin is not numbered except for a 0.05 stamped on rh side....is this a factory oversize pin??...any feedback would be welcome...Thanks...

01-27-2003, 06:45 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Peter, yes it's an Armors's Replacement! That isn't the way it came from the factory, however!!

01-27-2003, 10:42 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	I'm with Lonnie. To me it passes muster as Authentic, and will only make a difference in value at the highest level of matching and condition. --Dwight

01-29-2003, 12:12 AM	#5
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi After 1932, all military pistols were required to have a numbered rear pin. Not so prior to this time. That is one way to check the originality of a WW-1 Luger, No numbered pin. Actually, the replacement (oversize) pin gives your Luger a touch of class, totally correct as far as I'm concerned.

01-31-2003, 12:55 PM	#6
ESU User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NY Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a BYF42 and the pin is un-numbered, I guess it should have been. All other small parts are numbered with the last 2 digits of the serial #, does this greatly diminish the value? Thx.

01-31-2003, 09:13 PM	#7
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	In my opinion, its incorrect. Look for a correct numbered rear pin. On the other hand. I'm just a small collector and learn from all the other collectors. D

02-03-2003, 07:11 PM	#8
ESU User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NY Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just where do I find a correct numbered pin??

02-04-2003, 04:37 AM	#9
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Cory, they are tough to find. You might try Tom Heller (lugerdoc) at Hellerarms@webtv.net Good Luck!!

02-04-2003, 06:54 PM	#10
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I understand that rear toggle pins came in various sizes and were hand selected for each gun. Therefore, even if you find a pin with the correct number there may be only a one in five chance that it will fit properly.