Q; is 1943 Police Banners Holster are really rare?

Krakovski · 09-20-2024, 05:02 PM

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

ithacaartist · Yesterday, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

I'll bet there are way more than three of these babies around! This is a reproduction--observe the warbly stitching when viewed from behind.

A holster guy will know more about whether the claims in the ad about the originals are substantiated.

Doubs · Yesterday, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

I may be wrong but that thing screams REPRODUCTION. I don't believe it's original.

wlyon · Yesterday, 11:08 AM

My vote is reproduction. Bill

Bill_in_VA · Yesterday, 02:11 PM

I'll add my vote as a fake, as well.

Krakovski · Yesterday, 06:57 PM

Said Original guaranteed...

Bill_in_VA · Yesterday, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Said Original guaranteed...

He must be right, then.

gunbugs · Yesterday, 07:33 PM

Sure it's original. Original what? Originally made in India?...
It's a "fake".

Krakovski · Yesterday, 07:39 PM

Said it is Original Guaranteed, and if it is original does it cost $1500?

lugerholsterrepair · Yesterday, 08:51 PM

Got to go against the grain here. This example has every characteristic of an original late Police holster. Fakers just don't pay close enough attention to details of construction that this holster has in spades. The studs. NO faker does these correctly. The short shape of the tool pouch top. Only Police holsters had these. The stitching is perfect where it's perfect and it was stitched along the edge with a chain stitch machine that left it raises, it's 1943 and Germany, especially Berlin was under extreme conditions. The white underside of the top. The correct slant of the loops. The slim profile of the magazine pouch. The correct stamp of the maker mark and date. The quality of the leather. This holster SCREAMS original to me. In 1943 it would not surprise me that this urban police holster saw little use and remains in great condition. Likely issued in Berlin..Take a look at the back bottom of the mag pouch..A VERY difficult area to stitch and NO fake holster gets this right. Perfect.
I can't say about rarity or price. Not my area of study. I do know construction though and this is no fake.

I have no connection to this holster or seller but he IS correct. It's original and made in 1943 IMO.

Doubs · Today, 12:32 AM

If Jerry says it's original then I'm willing to bet that it is. I stand corrected.

gunbugs · Today, 01:25 AM

As do I. I will defer to a far more expert opinion than my own.

jeb111 · Today, 09:36 AM

Wow, when I first looked at this holster I immediately thought reproduction but I have to defer to the holster expert. Unfortunately for the seller it will be a tough sell as mostly everyone will think it’s not original, unless of course they read this thread. Price is still high I think especially since it’s going to be mistaken for a repro almost every time.
Jim

09-20-2024, 05:02 PM	#1
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Q; is 1943 Police Banners Holster are really rare? Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

Yesterday, 11:08 AM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,626 Thanks: 3,165 Thanked 2,545 Times in 950 Posts	My vote is reproduction. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

Yesterday, 02:11 PM	#5
Bill_in_VA User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 365 Thanks: 761 Thanked 541 Times in 193 Posts	I'll add my vote as a fake, as well. __________________ John 8:32 reive (riːv) vb (Military) (intr) dialect Scot and Northern English to go on a plundering raid [variant of reave] ˈreiver n e.g., " Some view the Border Reivers as loveable rogues."

Yesterday, 08:51 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,764 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,116 Times in 1,430 Posts	Got to go against the grain here. This example has every characteristic of an original late Police holster. Fakers just don't pay close enough attention to details of construction that this holster has in spades. The studs. NO faker does these correctly. The short shape of the tool pouch top. Only Police holsters had these. The stitching is perfect where it's perfect and it was stitched along the edge with a chain stitch machine that left it raises, it's 1943 and Germany, especially Berlin was under extreme conditions. The white underside of the top. The correct slant of the loops. The slim profile of the magazine pouch. The correct stamp of the maker mark and date. The quality of the leather. This holster SCREAMS original to me. In 1943 it would not surprise me that this urban police holster saw little use and remains in great condition. Likely issued in Berlin..Take a look at the back bottom of the mag pouch..A VERY difficult area to stitch and NO fake holster gets this right. Perfect. I can't say about rarity or price. Not my area of study. I do know construction though and this is no fake. I have no connection to this holster or seller but he IS correct. It's original and made in 1943 IMO. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

Yesterday, 06:57 PM	#6
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Said Original guaranteed...

Yesterday, 07:33 PM	#8
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 652 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,168 Times in 388 Posts	Sure it's original. Original what? Originally made in India?... It's a "fake".

Yesterday, 07:39 PM	#9
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Said it is Original Guaranteed, and if it is original does it cost $1500?

Today, 12:32 AM	#11
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,694 Thanks: 790 Thanked 1,673 Times in 550 Posts	If Jerry says it's original then I'm willing to bet that it is. I stand corrected.

Today, 01:25 AM	#12
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 652 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,168 Times in 388 Posts	As do I. I will defer to a far more expert opinion than my own.

Today, 09:36 AM	#13
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 703 Thanked 329 Times in 133 Posts	Wow, when I first looked at this holster I immediately thought reproduction but I have to defer to the holster expert. Unfortunately for the seller it will be a tough sell as mostly everyone will think it’s not original, unless of course they read this thread. Price is still high I think especially since it’s going to be mistaken for a repro almost every time. Jim