ULTRA RARE Swiss LUGER Waffenfabrik Bern W+F 1906/29 SPECIAL ASSEMBLY P-08

Heinzer · 09-16-2023, 12:14 AM

GB Item: 1005070157
ULTRA RARE Swiss LUGER Waffenfabrik Bern W+F 1906/29 SPECIAL ASSEMBLY P-08

The serial number of the pistol is 33106, which is beyond the range of last documented number of 33094.

Question is the pistol a genuine assembly by WFB or a private gunsmith.

Thanks Heinz

gunbugs · 09-16-2023, 02:02 AM

Heinz. What is your opinion?

Ben M. · 09-16-2023, 11:00 PM

some good infos in the Bobba book about swiss luger, too.

Heinzer · 09-17-2023, 02:34 PM

The Swiss Luger pistols in that specific serial number range consists of housecleaning of remaing 1906/24 WFB parts in their inventory. Swiss mindset ,nothing is wasted
They are just firearms assembled from parts from different models.

My concern about Genuine refers to the strange proof mark on the right side of the pistol . see attachment

I have searched Bobbas’ book and others and read all the Luger Forum threads. I found no reference on that specific proof mark.
Since WFB had strict guidelines in placement of approval marks, I strongly suspect the proof mark was applied by a private gunsmith or an owner of the weapon.

From reading the threads on this forum and Jan Still Forum ,Mr. Stucki has the most knowledge on this series of Swiss Lugers. I hope that that Mr Stucki may provide supply his insight to my question about the questionable proofmark.

Ron Wood · 09-17-2023, 04:33 PM

That looks a bit like a Japanese Kanji character.
Ron

Heinzer · 09-17-2023, 05:34 PM

Ron
thanks for your input

Ron, I have read all of Your Input on this forum and Jan Still's forum pertaining to Swiss Firearms. I gather/collect all the good information (cut and paste) from you and others into my on-line folder file.

Heinz

Heinzer · 09-22-2023, 03:39 PM

Hello Ron

I e-mailed by Firearms dealer in CH and asked for his input about the origin of the proof mark in question.

He stated: "the mark on the side looks like
a stylized crossbow and 75, the thing one would expect to see
as logo for a 1970's shooting event".

Pistol 33106 may have been awarded as a shooting prize

After a few drinks I saw the crossbow and 75!

Heinz

Ron Wood · 09-22-2023, 11:28 PM

I guess I need a few (a lot?) more drinks.

Ron

09-16-2023, 12:14 AM	#1
Heinzer New User Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Galt, CA USA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	ULTRA RARE Swiss LUGER Waffenfabrik Bern W+F 1906/29 SPECIAL ASSEMBLY P-08 GB Item: 1005070157 ULTRA RARE Swiss LUGER Waffenfabrik Bern W+F 1906/29 SPECIAL ASSEMBLY P-08 The serial number of the pistol is 33106, which is beyond the range of last documented number of 33094. Question is the pistol a genuine assembly by WFB or a private gunsmith. Thanks Heinz

09-17-2023, 02:34 PM	#4
Heinzer New User Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Galt, CA USA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	The Swiss Luger pistols in that specific serial number range consists of housecleaning of remaing 1906/24 WFB parts in their inventory. Swiss mindset ,nothing is wasted They are just firearms assembled from parts from different models. My concern about Genuine refers to the strange proof mark on the right side of the pistol . see attachment I have searched Bobbas’ book and others and read all the Luger Forum threads. I found no reference on that specific proof mark. Since WFB had strict guidelines in placement of approval marks, I strongly suspect the proof mark was applied by a private gunsmith or an owner of the weapon. From reading the threads on this forum and Jan Still Forum ,Mr. Stucki has the most knowledge on this series of Swiss Lugers. I hope that that Mr Stucki may provide supply his insight to my question about the questionable proofmark. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Heinzer; 09-17-2023 at 03:30 PM.

09-17-2023, 04:33 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	That looks a bit like a Japanese Kanji character. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-22-2023, 03:39 PM	#7
Heinzer New User Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Galt, CA USA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Hello Ron I e-mailed by Firearms dealer in CH and asked for his input about the origin of the proof mark in question. He stated: "the mark on the side looks like a stylized crossbow and 75, the thing one would expect to see as logo for a 1970's shooting event". Pistol 33106 may have been awarded as a shooting prize After a few drinks I saw the crossbow and 75! Heinz Last edited by Heinzer; 09-22-2023 at 03:53 PM. Reason: correct spelling

09-22-2023, 11:28 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	I guess I need a few (a lot?) more drinks. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-16-2023, 02:02 AM	#2
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 658 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	Heinz. What is your opinion?

09-16-2023, 11:00 PM	#3
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	some good infos in the Bobba book about swiss luger, too.

09-17-2023, 05:34 PM	#6
Heinzer New User Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Galt, CA USA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Ron thanks for your input Ron, I have read all of Your Input on this forum and Jan Still's forum pertaining to Swiss Firearms. I gather/collect all the good information (cut and paste) from you and others into my on-line folder file. Heinz