My First Luger - Page 2

G.T. · 01-04-2022, 07:12 PM

Hi Storm, not Blazer,...

.... underpowered, constant jams and failures, use WW whie box target 115 gr. ball to trouble shoot... other ammo when your Luger is runnig 100% on WW white box...

best, til...lat'r....GT

Storm · 01-04-2022, 07:17 PM

I can't seem to find it anywhere local, I'll look online for some. Do they have it in 124g or is it that much better than all the other stuff out there? I've read the original 9mm that was used on the P08 was slightly longer & close to 124g.

G.T. · 01-04-2022, 07:52 PM

It will probably have to be ordered, I'm not too savey on all the balistic chatter, some of the forum members here are re-loading champions and they custom taylor their loads to their Lugers demands. My knowledge on the WW White box 115 gr. ammo come strickly from the range, and I would bet I've shot as much 9MM down range as any other member, the WW White box was strong enough, correst pressures, and correct overal length that it became my default test ammo, and it hasn't dissapointed me yet? Sometime you need to eliminate certain variables so you are testing the pistol, not yourself, or not the ammo. So, I use only one ammo to test, and all the others to plink and play! Now, it may be a different ammo for your Luger, Federal, PMC or the like, but I don't think it will ever be the Blazer ammo? My substitue standard ammo is Federal 124 grain ball... seems to work the same as the WW White box, although I've used far less and won't make any claims for it right now?.. Best to you, til...lat'r....GT...

Storm · 01-04-2022, 07:57 PM

Thanks for the reply, I found it online. I found 1000 rounds for 350 & figured why not get it as I have a few other 9mm guns it will work though.

G.T. · 01-04-2022, 08:14 PM

wow, that's cheap for todays prices! Maybe things are getting better?... best, GT
BTW, Next little bit of info. to help trouble shoot, get a new Mec-Gar magazine... Then we are dealing with just the gun... more as you test and report... best, til....lat'r...GT

Storm · 01-04-2022, 08:26 PM

Only issue with looking for a Mec-Gar magazine, can't find one anywhere.... Ugh... Figures Repro Luger magazines are impossible to find..

HerrKaiser · 01-04-2022, 10:43 PM

I’ve had a fair amount of luck going to larger gun stores and finding a few Mec Gar mags for sale on the shelves and hooks. Not sure if that is an option for you.

Storm · 01-04-2022, 11:00 PM

The only close ones are fin feather & fur. Every other one is a local gun store. I'll start calling around!

Worst case, if anyone has a spare they be willing to part with I'd happily pay for it!

Batty67 · 01-05-2022, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm

Only issue with looking for a Mec-Gar magazine, can't find one anywhere.... Ugh... Figures Repro Luger magazines are impossible to find..

I found 3 NIB Mec-Gar mags at a very large gunshow...after finding NADA online (been there, felt that unpleasantness). And he had 4-5 more, I picked up two nickle ($40 each) and one blue ($35). Another magazine dealer had a few but they were used for similar prices. I was tempted to pick up 4-5 NIB ones to sell or trade...

So, try a large gunshow...?

Storm · 01-05-2022, 04:55 PM

I'll look at the Yankee Lake Gun show although, most of the guns are new there.

Also is this gap normal for a magazine?

HerrKaiser · 01-05-2022, 05:00 PM

In my experiences, yes there is sometimes a gap between the button/tabs and the frame. As Long as the Magazine catch engages and it doesn’t fall out, no issue.

Storm · 01-05-2022, 05:13 PM

Copy, that. So it does catch & release without issue. The hold open works now after carefully stretching the magazine spring. I have ordered a wolf spring kit in case any of the springs need replacing.

As of now my issue still is the next round not being picked up. It ejects fine, just doesn't feed. My WWB is one the way. I seemed to have ordered 124g but I'm sure the ammo being WWB it will still be the gold standard.

A sidenote, I did have one round chamber after firing one, that was the first time it ran properly since on my first try by holding the magazine up, but that was a different magazine.

I'll continue updates as more items arrive in the mail.

I do not plan on changing any springs unless that could be an issue after testing WWB ammo

Batty67 · 01-05-2022, 05:45 PM

Storm, I can sell you my NIB blued Mec-Gar magazine for what I paid for it + S&H. The show I picked one up at comes into town every other month so I can always get more later (for you and me).

gvkeitz@hotmail.com

Storm · 01-05-2022, 05:50 PM

Emailed, thanks

Storm · 01-05-2022, 07:32 PM

I double checked, I sent it to what you have listed above.
It should be from stormsclassicfirearms. That's my work email. Odd as it shows it sent....

Storm · 01-06-2022, 08:16 PM

I received another WW1 era wooden bottom. So this takes me to 3 wooden bottoms (one broken) & 1 Erma bakelite bottom. I have a Mec-gar one the way from a fellow Luger user. All of the original magazines are locking the action open when empty. All of them feed properly if manually cycling the action & holds open. Each of the magazines also lock in properly.

Now I have used 115g SIG 365 Elite Performance & 124g Blazer with no luck. 9/10 times it fires, ejects but doesn't pick up the next round. I have held the magazine up with my support hand & it seemed to cycle consistently, but didn't do enough testing that way. This makes me wonder if the magazines aren't sitting up high enough, although if it goes any higher it seems it would hit the edge of the magazine lip.

So until my Mec-Gar arrives as well as my 124g WWB & a wolf spring kit, I'm stuck thinking this over.

Could this be an issue with the mainspring or any of his springy friends?

ithacaartist · 01-08-2022, 12:45 PM

As noted above, the mag catch does half the job of holding the mag in correct position when it's clicked into place. I can't tell the condition of the catch from the pic, so will again suggest checking it for wear. That a mag can be pushed up farther after it's clicked in is the main clue.

Storm · 01-08-2022, 02:40 PM

After a Mec-Gar magazine arrived today, I was able to use the gun flawlessly! Ran the 115g SIG & 124g Blazer. So I'm guessing my original magazines need new springs!

I did order a magazine catch just in case but I'm sure it's good to have spare parts.

I will update as time goes by. I just need to hunt down more Mec-Gar magazines.

Patrick Sweeney · 01-10-2022, 11:36 AM

And just as a point of interest, you are not helping (in fact, hurting things) by stretching the magazine spring. If it is out of oomph, then replace it, because stretching it just makes things worse.

Storm · 01-10-2022, 11:48 AM

Copy that, springs will be replaced. That was just a thought.

01-04-2022, 07:12 PM	#21
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Not Blazer Hi Storm, not Blazer,....... underpowered, constant jams and failures, use WW whie box target 115 gr. ball to trouble shoot... other ammo when your Luger is runnig 100% on WW white box... best, til...lat'r....GT

01-04-2022, 07:52 PM	#23
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hi Storm It will probably have to be ordered, I'm not too savey on all the balistic chatter, some of the forum members here are re-loading champions and they custom taylor their loads to their Lugers demands. My knowledge on the WW White box 115 gr. ammo come strickly from the range, and I would bet I've shot as much 9MM down range as any other member, the WW White box was strong enough, correst pressures, and correct overal length that it became my default test ammo, and it hasn't dissapointed me yet? Sometime you need to eliminate certain variables so you are testing the pistol, not yourself, or not the ammo. So, I use only one ammo to test, and all the others to plink and play! Now, it may be a different ammo for your Luger, Federal, PMC or the like, but I don't think it will ever be the Blazer ammo? My substitue standard ammo is Federal 124 grain ball... seems to work the same as the WW White box, although I've used far less and won't make any claims for it right now?.. Best to you, til...lat'r....GT...

01-04-2022, 08:14 PM	#25
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hi Storm wow, that's cheap for todays prices! Maybe things are getting better?... best, GT BTW, Next little bit of info. to help trouble shoot, get a new Mec-Gar magazine... Then we are dealing with just the gun... more as you test and report... best, til....lat'r...GT

01-04-2022, 10:43 PM	#27
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 869 Thanks: 816 Thanked 882 Times in 424 Posts	I’ve had a fair amount of luck going to larger gun stores and finding a few Mec Gar mags for sale on the shelves and hooks. Not sure if that is an option for you. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

01-05-2022, 04:55 PM	#30
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	I'll look at the Yankee Lake Gun show although, most of the guns are new there. Also is this gap normal for a magazine? Attached Thumbnails

01-04-2022, 07:17 PM	#22
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	I can't seem to find it anywhere local, I'll look online for some. Do they have it in 124g or is it that much better than all the other stuff out there? I've read the original 9mm that was used on the P08 was slightly longer & close to 124g.

01-04-2022, 07:57 PM	#24
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for the reply, I found it online. I found 1000 rounds for 350 & figured why not get it as I have a few other 9mm guns it will work though.

01-04-2022, 08:26 PM	#26
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Only issue with looking for a Mec-Gar magazine, can't find one anywhere.... Ugh... Figures Repro Luger magazines are impossible to find..

01-04-2022, 11:00 PM	#28
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	The only close ones are fin feather & fur. Every other one is a local gun store. I'll start calling around! Worst case, if anyone has a spare they be willing to part with I'd happily pay for it!

01-05-2022, 05:00 PM	#31
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 869 Thanks: 816 Thanked 882 Times in 424 Posts	In my experiences, yes there is sometimes a gap between the button/tabs and the frame. As Long as the Magazine catch engages and it doesn’t fall out, no issue. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

01-05-2022, 05:13 PM	#32
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Copy, that. So it does catch & release without issue. The hold open works now after carefully stretching the magazine spring. I have ordered a wolf spring kit in case any of the springs need replacing. As of now my issue still is the next round not being picked up. It ejects fine, just doesn't feed. My WWB is one the way. I seemed to have ordered 124g but I'm sure the ammo being WWB it will still be the gold standard. A sidenote, I did have one round chamber after firing one, that was the first time it ran properly since on my first try by holding the magazine up, but that was a different magazine. I'll continue updates as more items arrive in the mail. I do not plan on changing any springs unless that could be an issue after testing WWB ammo

01-05-2022, 05:45 PM	#33
Batty67 User Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 34 Thanks: 7 Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts	Storm, I can sell you my NIB blued Mec-Gar magazine for what I paid for it + S&H. The show I picked one up at comes into town every other month so I can always get more later (for you and me). gvkeitz@hotmail.com

01-05-2022, 05:50 PM	#34
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Emailed, thanks

01-05-2022, 07:32 PM	#35
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	I double checked, I sent it to what you have listed above. It should be from stormsclassicfirearms. That's my work email. Odd as it shows it sent....

01-06-2022, 08:16 PM	#36
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	I received another WW1 era wooden bottom. So this takes me to 3 wooden bottoms (one broken) & 1 Erma bakelite bottom. I have a Mec-gar one the way from a fellow Luger user. All of the original magazines are locking the action open when empty. All of them feed properly if manually cycling the action & holds open. Each of the magazines also lock in properly. Now I have used 115g SIG 365 Elite Performance & 124g Blazer with no luck. 9/10 times it fires, ejects but doesn't pick up the next round. I have held the magazine up with my support hand & it seemed to cycle consistently, but didn't do enough testing that way. This makes me wonder if the magazines aren't sitting up high enough, although if it goes any higher it seems it would hit the edge of the magazine lip. So until my Mec-Gar arrives as well as my 124g WWB & a wolf spring kit, I'm stuck thinking this over. Could this be an issue with the mainspring or any of his springy friends?

01-08-2022, 12:45 PM	#37
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,377 Thanks: 7,452 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	As noted above, the mag catch does half the job of holding the mag in correct position when it's clicked into place. I can't tell the condition of the catch from the pic, so will again suggest checking it for wear. That a mag can be pushed up farther after it's clicked in is the main clue. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-08-2022, 02:40 PM	#38
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	After a Mec-Gar magazine arrived today, I was able to use the gun flawlessly! Ran the 115g SIG & 124g Blazer. So I'm guessing my original magazines need new springs! I did order a magazine catch just in case but I'm sure it's good to have spare parts. I will update as time goes by. I just need to hunt down more Mec-Gar magazines.

01-10-2022, 11:36 AM	#39
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	And just as a point of interest, you are not helping (in fact, hurting things) by stretching the magazine spring. If it is out of oomph, then replace it, because stretching it just makes things worse.

01-10-2022, 11:48 AM	#40
Storm User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Copy that, springs will be replaced. That was just a thought.