DWM In 1909...?

RockinWR · 10-30-2003, 10:48 PM

Dwight,
* WAG-1:
* Heinz may have unravelled the Proof mystery. Erfurt & Spandau were both Army run rifle operations. Erfurt coulda/maybe/sorta made up extra barrels and shipped them up to Spandau as DWM Buyer furnished equipment(BFE). Similar thing to the common pactice today in the AirCraft business. A jet engine is an example when provided by a Military block buy to an Airframe prime contractor. So, BFE Proofed Barrel installed in a DWM Frame/Receiver &, voila, off to Spandau for final Proof/Acceptance.
* DWM's toggle logo signified a guarantee of fitness. Either DWM accepted Erfurt pre-proofed loose barrels, installed them, and had Spandau Final proof the pistol Assembly to assure the entire pistol was fit or DWM insisted Spandau apply the Erfurt Proof eagle to the Erfurt barrel on a DWM Assembled pistol for traceablity in the event a warrentee situation arose with the Erfurt barrels.

Greg,
* I'll try & dig that puppy out this weekend. I'm not well set up for close-ups; but, what the hey.
* Wouldn't be concerned if 3305b is missing the sub-crown.
* Question is: Why is the sub-crown present, what is its significance, how common, and does this yield a transition S/N range, a defining characteristic, or an anomoly.
* WAG-2
* My couple of guesses leans toward a DWM use of commercial or Army Contract repaired barrels (headspace??) or a Spandau marking change/mix-up.
-My 9976a would have been scheduled for delivery in Dec., 1909. The 1910 Army Instructions would have been in discussion/coming off the presses about this time & its content would had been known inside Spandau. Your 3305b would have been in the March, 1910 deliveries all else being equal.
- If a repair, the sub crown may indicate an interim proof try or a initial Receiver detail inspection OK.
- If a change/mix-up, the 1910 regs mandated 3 acceptance stamps. The first was Receiver hardness for the receiver detail part. The second was for an assembled pistol ready to proof. Since the '08 1st issue uses only two receiver acceptance marks, this doublet may have been the first two in one location or the 1910 Regs changed a size.
* Any other First Issues with a doublet??
Respectfully
Bob

10-30-2003, 10:48 PM	#24
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Dwight, * WAG-1: * Heinz may have unravelled the Proof mystery. Erfurt & Spandau were both Army run rifle operations. Erfurt coulda/maybe/sorta made up extra barrels and shipped them up to Spandau as DWM Buyer furnished equipment(BFE). Similar thing to the common pactice today in the AirCraft business. A jet engine is an example when provided by a Military block buy to an Airframe prime contractor. So, BFE Proofed Barrel installed in a DWM Frame/Receiver &, voila, off to Spandau for final Proof/Acceptance. * DWM's toggle logo signified a guarantee of fitness. Either DWM accepted Erfurt pre-proofed loose barrels, installed them, and had Spandau Final proof the pistol Assembly to assure the entire pistol was fit or DWM insisted Spandau apply the Erfurt Proof eagle to the Erfurt barrel on a DWM Assembled pistol for traceablity in the event a warrentee situation arose with the Erfurt barrels. Greg, * I'll try & dig that puppy out this weekend. I'm not well set up for close-ups; but, what the hey. * Wouldn't be concerned if 3305b is missing the sub-crown. * Question is: Why is the sub-crown present, what is its significance, how common, and does this yield a transition S/N range, a defining characteristic, or an anomoly. * WAG-2 * My couple of guesses leans toward a DWM use of commercial or Army Contract repaired barrels (headspace??) or a Spandau marking change/mix-up. -My 9976a would have been scheduled for delivery in Dec., 1909. The 1910 Army Instructions would have been in discussion/coming off the presses about this time & its content would had been known inside Spandau. Your 3305b would have been in the March, 1910 deliveries all else being equal. - If a repair, the sub crown may indicate an interim proof try or a initial Receiver detail inspection OK. - If a change/mix-up, the 1910 regs mandated 3 acceptance stamps. The first was Receiver hardness for the receiver detail part. The second was for an assembled pistol ready to proof. Since the '08 1st issue uses only two receiver acceptance marks, this doublet may have been the first two in one location or the 1910 Regs changed a size. * Any other First Issues with a doublet?? Respectfully Bob