Help me identify and put a value on this Luger - Page 3

Fishing Guy · 10-15-2004, 03:44 PM

Okay here is an artists rendition of the mark on the barrel right next to the Luftwaffe LA eagle mark..

RockinWR · 10-15-2004, 08:46 PM

Jay,
* Army Inspector's Acceptance stamp frequently seen on "G" date (1935) Mauser built Lugers.
Respectfully,
Bob

minigun · 10-16-2004, 09:09 AM

Good luck with your sale. I've been poping in and out watching this unfold.

If it were mine, I'd have a hard time selling that one. If it's worth $2,500 now, just think what it would be worth in say 10 years from now.

Vlim · 10-16-2004, 09:29 AM

Hi Jay,

The Ku-versions share some signs that point towards their construction from surplus and used parts. Therefore, a pre-1936 acceptance stamp on a gun with mostly post-1941 parts does actually make some sense. Problem with these guns is that they're easy to fake, thus they are looked at by collectors with certain levels of scepticism, which is perfectly undestandable.

My favorit theory is still the use of KU-pistols as cheap supply material for Eastern-European axis partners who found themselves under direct German control. This facilitated the need to supply a non-german country or group with German material. It would have been easy for Germany to shove some 2nd rate material to those groups (including used/refurbished aircraft and equipment). In fact, a contract for the supply of Germany of a number of aircraft and equipment (refurbished) to Hungary during 1941-1942 has been rumored to exist.

As this theory still needs some major backing, I'm always interested in background info on these pistols.

Leon DeSpain · 10-16-2004, 10:35 PM

Hi G.

To me, it seems the consistent use of the Luftwaffe Amt stamp on this variation gives some credibility to them being assembled for German WWII use.

Am I wrong?

I have an example that has all the typical Ku markings and is in the reported serial number range except it is not stamped Ku. Interesting? I will try to post a link to pictures in the near future.

Regards, Leon

Vlim · 10-17-2004, 09:19 AM

Leon,

Yes, you are

On a number of occasions, the German forces worked with foreign troops under German command.

The Luftwaffe is a nice example, as for example a Hungarian airgroup was placed under the direct command of the Luftwaffe in mid-1941.

A common misconception is to assume that all "German forces" were actually German. Many of them weren't.

Leon DeSpain · 10-17-2004, 04:43 PM

Hi G.

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards, Leon

10-15-2004, 03:44 PM	#41
Fishing Guy User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Okay here is an artists rendition of the mark on the barrel right next to the Luftwaffe LA eagle mark.. __________________ Fishing Guy in North Carolina

10-15-2004, 08:46 PM	#42
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Jay, * Army Inspector's Acceptance stamp frequently seen on "G" date (1935) Mauser built Lugers. Respectfully, Bob

10-16-2004, 09:09 AM	#43
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Good luck with your sale. I've been poping in and out watching this unfold. If it were mine, I'd have a hard time selling that one. If it's worth $2,500 now, just think what it would be worth in say 10 years from now.

10-16-2004, 09:29 AM	#44
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Jay, The Ku-versions share some signs that point towards their construction from surplus and used parts. Therefore, a pre-1936 acceptance stamp on a gun with mostly post-1941 parts does actually make some sense. Problem with these guns is that they're easy to fake, thus they are looked at by collectors with certain levels of scepticism, which is perfectly undestandable. My favorit theory is still the use of KU-pistols as cheap supply material for Eastern-European axis partners who found themselves under direct German control. This facilitated the need to supply a non-german country or group with German material. It would have been easy for Germany to shove some 2nd rate material to those groups (including used/refurbished aircraft and equipment). In fact, a contract for the supply of Germany of a number of aircraft and equipment (refurbished) to Hungary during 1941-1942 has been rumored to exist. As this theory still needs some major backing, I'm always interested in background info on these pistols.

10-16-2004, 10:35 PM	#45
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi G. To me, it seems the consistent use of the Luftwaffe Amt stamp on this variation gives some credibility to them being assembled for German WWII use. Am I wrong? I have an example that has all the typical Ku markings and is in the reported serial number range except it is not stamped Ku. Interesting? I will try to post a link to pictures in the near future. Regards, Leon

10-17-2004, 09:19 AM	#46
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Leon, Yes, you are On a number of occasions, the German forces worked with foreign troops under German command. The Luftwaffe is a nice example, as for example a Hungarian airgroup was placed under the direct command of the Luftwaffe in mid-1941. A common misconception is to assume that all "German forces" were actually German. Many of them weren't.

10-17-2004, 04:43 PM	#47
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi G. Thanks for the clarification. Regards, Leon