Opinions on my Deactivated 1936 Luger

sdmark777 · 03-02-2021, 09:49 PM

Amen to what Bill_in_VA said, "You cannot legislate responsibility nor morality." That sums it up perfectly. As to your sentiments RSHAW, you are spouting the crap that makes my blood pressure rise. On the surface it sounds nice, we can make things better and safer etc. You need to look deeper at these issues. For example look at relevance. We drive cars and some people die in accidents. It is an accepted fact of life unless we give up our modern lifestyle and get rid of all motor vehicles. RSHAW states "The parade of incidents of gun related violence, negligent discharge homicides, school shootings, etc, etc, in the US really depresses me." But how many negligent discharges, firearm homicides, school shootings, etc are there really? Next to nothing when you look at all the other dangerous and/or deadly things happening. Lots of media hype on these kinds of events. You also need to look at who is involved in these cases of gun related violence. Gang members and criminals account for most of it. They by definition don't abide by the law and their lifestyle is often with out responsibility or morality. Suicides get lumped in with the gun violence stats as do justified police and civilian shootings. Suicides should not count for anything because firearms are just an expedient tool. People will always kill them selves, even if there were no guns. So as Bill said, "You cannot legislate responsibility nor morality." It is a people issue. Deal with the people having the issue. I don't think we should have any more of our rights infringed because some people misuse firearms or are not responsible or firearms educated. The loss of life and consequences from incidents of gun related violence, negligent discharge homicides, school shootings, etc, is next to nothing if you look at things in context. In a perfect utopian world these terrible things would be rare or not happen at all. It is natural for decent people to want this better utopian world, but reality is that some people are idiots, irresponsible, criminal, evil. When people screw up, deal with the screw ups, don't burden or punish the rest, the majority of us. Educate, make training available, enforce existing laws, bring attention to these issues when they are a problem. There are other better ways of dealing with people than legislation. It is the same as the assault rifle or high capacity magazine bans. There are already consequences for these people with firearms who act irresponsibly, negligently, ignorantly and criminally. Do you think we should have to take a test before we buy a power saw, because someone might cut off their fingers? Of course not. Why, because you can't legislate responsibility nor morality. Yeah, some dumb ass who never got instruction might use a power saw unsafely and cause himself or another grave injury. But again, insignificant amount of incidents to justify requiring a safety test or banning power saws to make life 'safer for all of us'. An example of trying to legislate responsibility: A Beach or a Park is having increased incidents of drunk and disorderly conduct, assaults and disturbances of the peace. Why, because there was an increase of homeless transients and drug addicts that began loitering in the area. These irresponsible, criminal derelicts get drunk and cause most of the problems. There are also ocasional parties that lead to a few drunks causing problems. To try and make things 'better' and 'safer' for everyone the City bans alcoholic drinks at the Beach or Park. Now regular citizens can no longer go to the Beach or Park and enjoy a beer or wine. The majority of citizens have lost their rights through no fault of their own, because of a minority of irresponsible asses. Instead the City should address the specific problem. Do enforcement against the screw ups, arrest the individuals for being drunk or assaultive etc. Increase enforcement as necessary to bring things back to an acceptable level. Again, relevance. Just because we will have an ocasional irresponsible drunk at the Beach or Park, it is a minor insignificant number of issues compared with the majority of responsible citizens that may choose to enjoy their favorite beverage at the Beach or Park. There are other ways to deal with the issue than trying to legislate responsibility and morality. OK, I have let off enough steam for now, you obviously hit a nerve. But, you, RSHAW, need to look deeper at the issues, look at relevancy before you want to give up your rights for expedient laws which can not legislatively produce responsibility and morality. Don't be ignorant and naive. Enough said. Back to LUGERS!

03-02-2021, 09:49 PM	#11
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 301 Thanks: 721 Thanked 705 Times in 186 Posts	Amen to what Bill_in_VA said, "You cannot legislate responsibility nor morality." That sums it up perfectly. As to your sentiments RSHAW, you are spouting the crap that makes my blood pressure rise. On the surface it sounds nice, we can make things better and safer etc. You need to look deeper at these issues. For example look at relevance. We drive cars and some people die in accidents. It is an accepted fact of life unless we give up our modern lifestyle and get rid of all motor vehicles. RSHAW states "The parade of incidents of gun related violence, negligent discharge homicides, school shootings, etc, etc, in the US really depresses me." But how many negligent discharges, firearm homicides, school shootings, etc are there really? Next to nothing when you look at all the other dangerous and/or deadly things happening. Lots of media hype on these kinds of events. You also need to look at who is involved in these cases of gun related violence. Gang members and criminals account for most of it. They by definition don't abide by the law and their lifestyle is often with out responsibility or morality. Suicides get lumped in with the gun violence stats as do justified police and civilian shootings. Suicides should not count for anything because firearms are just an expedient tool. People will always kill them selves, even if there were no guns. So as Bill said, "You cannot legislate responsibility nor morality." It is a people issue. Deal with the people having the issue. I don't think we should have any more of our rights infringed because some people misuse firearms or are not responsible or firearms educated. The loss of life and consequences from incidents of gun related violence, negligent discharge homicides, school shootings, etc, is next to nothing if you look at things in context. In a perfect utopian world these terrible things would be rare or not happen at all. It is natural for decent people to want this better utopian world, but reality is that some people are idiots, irresponsible, criminal, evil. When people screw up, deal with the screw ups, don't burden or punish the rest, the majority of us. Educate, make training available, enforce existing laws, bring attention to these issues when they are a problem. There are other better ways of dealing with people than legislation. It is the same as the assault rifle or high capacity magazine bans. There are already consequences for these people with firearms who act irresponsibly, negligently, ignorantly and criminally. Do you think we should have to take a test before we buy a power saw, because someone might cut off their fingers? Of course not. Why, because you can't legislate responsibility nor morality. Yeah, some dumb ass who never got instruction might use a power saw unsafely and cause himself or another grave injury. But again, insignificant amount of incidents to justify requiring a safety test or banning power saws to make life 'safer for all of us'. An example of trying to legislate responsibility: A Beach or a Park is having increased incidents of drunk and disorderly conduct, assaults and disturbances of the peace. Why, because there was an increase of homeless transients and drug addicts that began loitering in the area. These irresponsible, criminal derelicts get drunk and cause most of the problems. There are also ocasional parties that lead to a few drunks causing problems. To try and make things 'better' and 'safer' for everyone the City bans alcoholic drinks at the Beach or Park. Now regular citizens can no longer go to the Beach or Park and enjoy a beer or wine. The majority of citizens have lost their rights through no fault of their own, because of a minority of irresponsible asses. Instead the City should address the specific problem. Do enforcement against the screw ups, arrest the individuals for being drunk or assaultive etc. Increase enforcement as necessary to bring things back to an acceptable level. Again, relevance. Just because we will have an ocasional irresponsible drunk at the Beach or Park, it is a minor insignificant number of issues compared with the majority of responsible citizens that may choose to enjoy their favorite beverage at the Beach or Park. There are other ways to deal with the issue than trying to legislate responsibility and morality. OK, I have let off enough steam for now, you obviously hit a nerve. But, you, RSHAW, need to look deeper at the issues, look at relevancy before you want to give up your rights for expedient laws which can not legislatively produce responsibility and morality. Don't be ignorant and naive. Enough said. Back to LUGERS!