My First Swiss 06/24

Good-Day · 11-14-2020, 10:02 AM

Good Mornin All

Well i got lucky at a local shop.
Picked up a Swiss 06/24 ( my first ) and a first variation AC41 P38 that is fully matching

The Swiss looks in great shape no import or P mark

Sorry about the pics camera shutter is having issues time for another one

The Grips are both numbered and match each other but not to the Pistol

all other serialized parts match

Couple questions
Is ther a S/N to Mfg Year list available( it's in the 19000range)?
The Toggle is not knurled, I had read some transitional Lugers have been found that have 06/29 parts, or could there be another explanation?

Of course other comments and questions are always welcomed

rpbcps · 11-14-2020, 12:08 PM

Good day,
That is a nice find.

It was not until 1918 that the Swiss were able to begin production, with the first deliveries of Bern manufactured 1906 Parabellums being met in 1919.

My copy of 'The Borchardt Luger Pistols', on page 651, tells me that serial numbers 18751 - 20880 were produced in 1922, so that range includes your Luger.

Stay safe
Richard

Ron Wood · 11-14-2020, 05:06 PM

I always do this and I am going to do it again...There ain't no such thing as a 06/24 Swiss.. As Richard has pointed out, Swiss production began in 1918, not 1924. Fred Datig got the wrong date information back in the 1950s from a Swiss individual that didn't know what he was talking about, and we have been stuck with that designation ever since. It is a "1906 Waffenfabrik Bern" or a "1906 W+F" if you prefer, but not 06/24.
(Nice looking gun by the way. Well done.)
Ron

Doubs · 11-14-2020, 05:57 PM

rpbcps is correct that the year of manufacture is 1922.

Ron is also correct that it's a 1906 W+F or P'06 W+F as Gortz & Sturgess call it.

The receiver stop lug on your Luger should have the last three digits of the serial number stamped on it and the last two digits on the rear toggle link and small parts.

You have a very nice Swiss Luger. Enjoy it.

Sergio Natali · 11-15-2020, 05:20 AM

Nice way to start a LUGER collection!

Good-Day · 11-15-2020, 10:28 AM

Thank You All
I'm pretty happy with my 1906 W+F

The Lug and Toggle do have the S/N's and match

Any toughts on why the Toggle would not be knurled?
I would think 1922 would be to early for a Transitional

Thanks Again everyone!

Vlim · 11-15-2020, 10:40 AM

The toggle has been replaced post-1929. It is not uncommon to see them, and the factory repair process is well documented.

mrerick · 11-18-2020, 11:36 AM

As Gerben mentions, repair and refurbishment was common in Swiss Lugers.

When an officer retired, they had the option to acquire their service firearm, and in that process they could have it completely refurbished by the arsenal.

Good-Day · 11-21-2020, 10:48 AM

Thank You All Again

Would they put a re-arsenal mark on the Pistol somewhere if they had

Makes sense that it has been as the finish looks fantastic, and the bore is pristine

Not a chance i'll look that good at nearly 100

mrerick · 11-21-2020, 11:33 AM

I have not seen any rebuild marks from Bern. They generally stamp a 6mm "P" sometimes with year of privatization.

The arsenal work is very high grade.

rpbcps · 11-21-2020, 01:28 PM

Here is the 'P' mark on my Bern 06/29.

Good-Day · 11-22-2020, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the info

No "P" on mine also no Import Mark that I could find

The fit and finish on the Pistol is absolutely beutiful

rpbcps · 11-22-2020, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Good-Day

Thanks for the info

No "P" on mine also no Import Mark that I could find

The fit and finish on the Pistol is absolutely beutiful

There is no "P" on my 1906 Waffenfabrik Bern either, I checked that at the same time as checking the Bern 06/29.

11-14-2020, 10:02 AM	#1
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 97 Thanks: 82 Thanked 101 Times in 32 Posts	My First Swiss 06/24 Good Mornin All Well i got lucky at a local shop. Picked up a Swiss 06/24 ( my first ) and a first variation AC41 P38 that is fully matching The Swiss looks in great shape no import or P mark Sorry about the pics camera shutter is having issues time for another one The Grips are both numbered and match each other but not to the Pistol all other serialized parts match Couple questions Is ther a S/N to Mfg Year list available( it's in the 19000range)? The Toggle is not knurled, I had read some transitional Lugers have been found that have 06/29 parts, or could there be another explanation? Of course other comments and questions are always welcomed Attached Thumbnails

11-14-2020, 05:06 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	I always do this and I am going to do it again...There ain't no such thing as a 06/24 Swiss.. As Richard has pointed out, Swiss production began in 1918, not 1924. Fred Datig got the wrong date information back in the 1950s from a Swiss individual that didn't know what he was talking about, and we have been stuck with that designation ever since. It is a "1906 Waffenfabrik Bern" or a "1906 W+F" if you prefer, but not 06/24. (Nice looking gun by the way. Well done.) Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-15-2020, 05:20 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Nice way to start a LUGER collection! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-18-2020, 11:36 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	As Gerben mentions, repair and refurbishment was common in Swiss Lugers. When an officer retired, they had the option to acquire their service firearm, and in that process they could have it completely refurbished by the arsenal. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-21-2020, 11:33 AM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I have not seen any rebuild marks from Bern. They generally stamp a 6mm "P" sometimes with year of privatization. The arsenal work is very high grade. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-14-2020, 12:08 PM	#2
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Good day, That is a nice find. It was not until 1918 that the Swiss were able to begin production, with the first deliveries of Bern manufactured 1906 Parabellums being met in 1919. My copy of 'The Borchardt Luger Pistols', on page 651, tells me that serial numbers 18751 - 20880 were produced in 1922, so that range includes your Luger. Stay safe Richard

11-14-2020, 05:57 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,679 Times in 552 Posts	rpbcps is correct that the year of manufacture is 1922. Ron is also correct that it's a 1906 W+F or P'06 W+F as Gortz & Sturgess call it. The receiver stop lug on your Luger should have the last three digits of the serial number stamped on it and the last two digits on the rear toggle link and small parts. You have a very nice Swiss Luger. Enjoy it.

11-15-2020, 10:28 AM	#6
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 97 Thanks: 82 Thanked 101 Times in 32 Posts	Thank You All I'm pretty happy with my 1906 W+F The Lug and Toggle do have the S/N's and match Any toughts on why the Toggle would not be knurled? I would think 1922 would be to early for a Transitional Thanks Again everyone!

11-15-2020, 10:40 AM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The toggle has been replaced post-1929. It is not uncommon to see them, and the factory repair process is well documented.

11-21-2020, 10:48 AM	#9
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 97 Thanks: 82 Thanked 101 Times in 32 Posts	Thank You All Again Would they put a re-arsenal mark on the Pistol somewhere if they had Makes sense that it has been as the finish looks fantastic, and the bore is pristine Not a chance i'll look that good at nearly 100

11-21-2020, 01:28 PM	#11
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Here is the 'P' mark on my Bern 06/29. Attached Thumbnails

11-22-2020, 10:31 AM	#12
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 97 Thanks: 82 Thanked 101 Times in 32 Posts	Thanks for the info No "P" on mine also no Import Mark that I could find The fit and finish on the Pistol is absolutely beutiful