Early 9 mm Commercial on Proxibid

Yakman · 10-17-2020, 02:08 AM

OK Dwight, I really don't think we are at odds, I think we a talking past each other. Every thing we are talking about are collector constructs. The terms collectors use to identify various "models" are colloquial terms, part of a Lexicon, used to form mental pictures of, say, a particular Luger in the absence of the real thing.

I asked you about your "1920 Arty" in wrongly stated terms, but because of what I just stated above, you knew exactly what I was talking about. You might not agree with it, but you understood it and that's the point.

Getting to identifying the Proxibid Luger, subject of this thread, I won't push "clone", as I don't consider the word a part of the most used Lexicon, anyway, but I will have to use some of its synonyms to help form a mental picture.

I'm hopeful we both agree that the original P.08 is most readily visually identifiable by its absence of a grip safety and stock lug, short frame, and 100m/m barrel. Were not talking about markings, yet.

The proxibid gun has all the above mentioned features. I posted "This pistol APPEARS to me to be a very low serial numbered Commercial clone of the P.08 Luger pistol." (Strike the "clone" and insert "lookalike".) The pistol pictured looks like, or APPEARS to be, a 1908 P.08 configured Luger. Does the "1908" seem redundant? Without it there is nothing to help form an image of a P.08 that has no stock lug from one that does. If I were to describe this gun to you in casual conversation I could say it is configured as a 1908 P.08 and you would immediately have a mental picture of it. If I were to go on and say it is commercially proofed and numbered you would have it exactly.

To your other point of no near lookalites. I have a Luger that had all the outward appearances of a P.08 except that it has a 120m/m barrel of obvious .30 cal. Upon closer examination it had no hold-open, was commercially numbered, and had an American Eagle (AE) over the chamber. Is it a P.08? No! Is it a 1908 Commercial? Yes! And from a distance, it was its P.08 outward appearing features that drew my attention. The P.08 features, not the 100m/m barrel, lots of Lugers have 100m/m barrels. Only the barrel kept it from appearing, at a distance, to be a P.08. To me that's enough to describe it as "near".

By the way, who said anything about a P.08 having an AE over the chamber?

Also, I enjoy discussions with you and reading your offerings, you have interesting points of view.

Jack

10-17-2020, 02:08 AM	#16
Yakman User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 119 Thanks: 881 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts	OK Dwight, I really don't think we are at odds, I think we a talking past each other. Every thing we are talking about are collector constructs. The terms collectors use to identify various "models" are colloquial terms, part of a Lexicon, used to form mental pictures of, say, a particular Luger in the absence of the real thing. I asked you about your "1920 Arty" in wrongly stated terms, but because of what I just stated above, you knew exactly what I was talking about. You might not agree with it, but you understood it and that's the point. Getting to identifying the Proxibid Luger, subject of this thread, I won't push "clone", as I don't consider the word a part of the most used Lexicon, anyway, but I will have to use some of its synonyms to help form a mental picture. I'm hopeful we both agree that the original P.08 is most readily visually identifiable by its absence of a grip safety and stock lug, short frame, and 100m/m barrel. Were not talking about markings, yet. The proxibid gun has all the above mentioned features. I posted "This pistol APPEARS to me to be a very low serial numbered Commercial clone of the P.08 Luger pistol." (Strike the "clone" and insert "lookalike".) The pistol pictured looks like, or APPEARS to be, a 1908 P.08 configured Luger. Does the "1908" seem redundant? Without it there is nothing to help form an image of a P.08 that has no stock lug from one that does. If I were to describe this gun to you in casual conversation I could say it is configured as a 1908 P.08 and you would immediately have a mental picture of it. If I were to go on and say it is commercially proofed and numbered you would have it exactly. To your other point of no near lookalites. I have a Luger that had all the outward appearances of a P.08 except that it has a 120m/m barrel of obvious .30 cal. Upon closer examination it had no hold-open, was commercially numbered, and had an American Eagle (AE) over the chamber. Is it a P.08? No! Is it a 1908 Commercial? Yes! And from a distance, it was its P.08 outward appearing features that drew my attention. The P.08 features, not the 100m/m barrel, lots of Lugers have 100m/m barrels. Only the barrel kept it from appearing, at a distance, to be a P.08. To me that's enough to describe it as "near". By the way, who said anything about a P.08 having an AE over the chamber? Also, I enjoy discussions with you and reading your offerings, you have interesting points of view. Jack