1913 dwm - Page 4

DonVoigt · 01-18-2019, 12:27 PM

Pictures are better, but they lack detail when enlarged to try to "see" what the upper center marking might be.
Need to take the picture with more "active" pixels- just not enough detail there.

Here is best I could do with data in the picture.

4 Scale · 01-19-2019, 11:35 PM

A nice photo has arrived!

Leed709 · 01-19-2019, 11:46 PM

Grand daughter took pic with her fancy phone. I hope this is what you are looking far.

4 Scale · 01-22-2019, 04:52 PM

Bump - hoping someone will comment on the markings now that we finally have a good photo. Even if the comment is that the markings are unknown/mean nothing, that's helpful.

DonVoigt · 01-22-2019, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leed709

Grand daughter took pic with her fancy phone. I hope this is what you are looking far.

Yes, it is a good picture and the correct one!

The "odd" shape looks like an "arrowhead" but may be a "barred shield". Neither fits the observed characteristics of the frame.

I don't know what the frame is, but it is not a post 1914 DWM, for two reasons, it does not have an "N" or circled "N" in the well, and it has a grip safety.
The serial number of 356a, also is an enigma- which should be a military number.

I am mystified and bumfuzzled.

Leed709 · 01-23-2019, 11:16 PM

Found 3 more stamps on pistol. 1 in rear of lower frame and 2 real small ones on upper receiver. Will try to send pic.

Leed709 · 01-27-2019, 08:02 PM

4 scales did you get the last 3 pic sent today?

4 Scale · 01-28-2019, 01:19 PM

Three more also of solid quality.

DonVoigt · 01-28-2019, 01:37 PM

I believe we have established that the receiver is DWM.
It is the vintage of the frame that remains unknown, these last pictures don't help.

Leed709 · 01-28-2019, 01:50 PM

How do you determine the vintage of the frame?

4 Scale · 01-29-2019, 02:32 PM

A few years back I saw a similar pistol on Simpson's site. It had a DWM military barrel extension with the date over the chamber, but a Swiss .30 caliber 4.75" barrel. It was a quality rework, very nice and offered for around $1,400. I remember the pistol well because I strong considered purchasing it. I forget who I spoke to at Simpson but they said they see a few like that from time to time, which they defined as Swiss re-works of Imperial militaries that were then sold into the Swiss commercial market post WWI. I found their explanation and the pistol both fascinating and sort of regret not getting it. Given Ron's comments at post #36, absent other information to the contrary I have to wonder if this may be another example of the type.

Determining frame vintage requires real expertise. If you compare Ron's post #36 in this thread to this tutorial on frames http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...Frame-Tutorial that will enlighten on some of the characteristics to consider.

01-19-2019, 11:46 PM	#63
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 pic Grand daughter took pic with her fancy phone. I hope this is what you are looking far.

01-23-2019, 11:16 PM	#66
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 dwm Found 3 more stamps on pistol. 1 in rear of lower frame and 2 real small ones on upper receiver. Will try to send pic.

01-28-2019, 01:37 PM	#69
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	I believe we have established that the receiver is DWM. It is the vintage of the frame that remains unknown, these last pictures don't help. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-28-2019, 01:50 PM	#70
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 dwm How do you determine the vintage of the frame?

01-22-2019, 04:52 PM	#64
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 490 Times in 251 Posts	Bump - hoping someone will comment on the markings now that we finally have a good photo. Even if the comment is that the markings are unknown/mean nothing, that's helpful.

01-27-2019, 08:02 PM	#67
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	4 scales did you get the last 3 pic sent today?

01-29-2019, 02:32 PM	#71
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 490 Times in 251 Posts	A few years back I saw a similar pistol on Simpson's site. It had a DWM military barrel extension with the date over the chamber, but a Swiss .30 caliber 4.75" barrel. It was a quality rework, very nice and offered for around $1,400. I remember the pistol well because I strong considered purchasing it. I forget who I spoke to at Simpson but they said they see a few like that from time to time, which they defined as Swiss re-works of Imperial militaries that were then sold into the Swiss commercial market post WWI. I found their explanation and the pistol both fascinating and sort of regret not getting it. Given Ron's comments at post #36, absent other information to the contrary I have to wonder if this may be another example of the type. Determining frame vintage requires real expertise. If you compare Ron's post #36 in this thread to this tutorial on frames http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...Frame-Tutorial that will enlighten on some of the characteristics to consider.