Re issue

k98mike · 10-26-2018, 10:58 PM

Once at a gun show about 20 years ago I saw an artillery luger for sale that was ( supposedly) brought back from N. Africa in WW 2. I've also seen a manifest of bring back items from a WW 2 GI mentioning a "long barreled Luger". Were some artillery lugers re-issued to the German Army in WW 2? (I would guess it would be a small number) Looking forward to replies, Mike

k98mike · 10-27-2018, 08:20 AM

Mp?

Norme · 10-27-2018, 09:31 AM

The only instance I know of when an Artillery Luger was actually used by a German soldier in WW2 was in the movie "The Guns of Navarone".
Norm

guns3545 · 10-27-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by k98mike

Mp?

Machine Pistol, as in MP40.

DonVoigt · 10-27-2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

Yes, they remained in German inventory after WW1 and were issued to some artillery units and and tankers and such in WW2. Though as you can imagine, MP variants were probably preferred.

That the LP08 remained in inventory after WWI(for a while) is correct; but where did you get the info about WWII?

Ever seen a WWII pict with an LP 08 and an art. crew?
And an LP 08 would be the last pistol a tanker would choose, JMHO.

Reference please.

George Anderson · 10-27-2018, 10:56 AM

The only definite "reissued" LP08s I have seen were a few Reichsmarine unit marked LP08s and a very few Weimar police issued LP08s. I have never seen any photographic evidence of Wehrmacht use of LP08s.

As to tankers using LP08s, I can testify as a former tanker that the last sidearm an armored crewman would ever carry is an LP08. Our US tanks in the 1970s had a hell of a lot more spacious turrets than did ANY WWII tanks of either side.

HerrKaiser · 10-27-2018, 11:33 AM

I don’t have any sources to say definitively where they were issued other than a quick Wikipedia search. Just going off of my own hunches given the German military situation with industry and production both early in the war and by late 1944 onwards. LP08’s were used as a PDW of sorts. Even by 1918 with the advent of the Bergmann MP-18, they were an obsolete weapon. Likely issued to reservists and rear line groups.

DonVoigt · 10-27-2018, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

I don’t have any sources to say definitively where they were issued other than a quick Wikipedia search. Just going off of my own hunches given the German military situation with industry and production both early in the war and by late 1944 onwards. LP08’s were used as a PDW of sorts. Even by 1918 with the advent of the Bergmann MP-18, they were an obsolete weapon. Likely issued to reservists and rear line groups.

Then don't you think it would be a good idea to say "I think" and not state such as fact?
Wikipedia- now there is an infallible luger source!

HerrKaiser · 10-27-2018, 04:13 PM

I don’t always have time to go digging through piles of sources for every question. Just try to synthesize what I see on this forum to try and help people with questions before everyone else gets here to better answer them.

Norme · 10-27-2018, 05:02 PM

I’m surprised that any historian, even a young one, would state as fact something that is only his uninformed opinion.
Norm

HerrKaiser · 10-27-2018, 05:12 PM

Fine, it’s gone now. Since is is a forum and not an academic conference, I assumed that anything said was implied as an opinion as opposed to set in stone fact unless accompanied by a source. Since this appears to not be the case, I’ll be sure to keep this in mind moving forward.

DonVoigt · 10-27-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

I don’t always have time to go digging through piles of sources for every question. Just try to synthesize what I see on this forum to try and help people with questions before everyone else gets here to better answer them.

If you don't have time to do the research, what is the hurry to answer first?
This isn't a race, first does not "win" anything; I'd be more concerned with accuracy.

George Anderson · 10-28-2018, 11:28 AM

Here's a link to a post of an original US Army photo taken after WWII. The GI is holding an LP08 which in all likelihood was a Naval issue as Norway was home to German Navy occupation during the war.

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ghlight=norway

Neil Young · 10-28-2018, 12:24 PM

Come on Guys. Give Quintin a break.

Rick W. · 10-28-2018, 04:03 PM

Welcome to the forum...............

Like the black knight says..........a mere fleshwound.........

Information here or elsewhere on the net...........well, times it gets a little soft. So sometimes things have to pondered a while seems like.

Information based on historical documents probably has more meaning to some. Some others think seeing two other examples means it was always that way. So you kinda gotta go with the flow, keep what you want, and discard the rest............or perhaps file it away for later.

I agree, kinda hard on the kid; no real need for that really; not that I have a lot of room there. What would Mom say?

DonVoigt · 10-28-2018, 04:50 PM

My Mom would say, and did:
"if you don't know what you are talking about, be quiet."

George Anderson · 10-28-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

My Mom would say, and did:
"if you don't know what you are talking about, be quiet."

Sounds like a lady we don't want to tangle with.

Norme · 10-28-2018, 05:47 PM

If Quintin thinks it's rough here wait 'till he enters academia, they'll crucify him if he can't back up his claims with documentary evidence. Why do you think God invented footnotes?
Norm

wlyon · 10-28-2018, 06:11 PM

Hey guy's give him a break!!! Remember an expert is only someone a mile from home. One of the reasons I really like this forum is we generally, at least, do not jump all over anyone. Let's not start now. Bill

10-26-2018, 10:58 PM	#1
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Re issue Once at a gun show about 20 years ago I saw an artillery luger for sale that was ( supposedly) brought back from N. Africa in WW 2. I've also seen a manifest of bring back items from a WW 2 GI mentioning a "long barreled Luger". Were some artillery lugers re-issued to the German Army in WW 2? (I would guess it would be a small number) Looking forward to replies, Mike

10-27-2018, 11:33 AM	#7
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	I don’t have any sources to say definitively where they were issued other than a quick Wikipedia search. Just going off of my own hunches given the German military situation with industry and production both early in the war and by late 1944 onwards. LP08’s were used as a PDW of sorts. Even by 1918 with the advent of the Bergmann MP-18, they were an obsolete weapon. Likely issued to reservists and rear line groups. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

10-27-2018, 04:13 PM	#9
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	I don’t always have time to go digging through piles of sources for every question. Just try to synthesize what I see on this forum to try and help people with questions before everyone else gets here to better answer them. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

10-27-2018, 05:12 PM	#11
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Fine, it’s gone now. Since is is a forum and not an academic conference, I assumed that anything said was implied as an opinion as opposed to set in stone fact unless accompanied by a source. Since this appears to not be the case, I’ll be sure to keep this in mind moving forward. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

10-28-2018, 11:28 AM	#13
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Here's a link to a post of an original US Army photo taken after WWII. The GI is holding an LP08 which in all likelihood was a Naval issue as Norway was home to German Navy occupation during the war. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ghlight=norway Last edited by George Anderson; 10-29-2018 at 01:43 PM.

10-27-2018, 08:20 AM	#2
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Mp?

10-27-2018, 09:31 AM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	The only instance I know of when an Artillery Luger was actually used by a German soldier in WW2 was in the movie "The Guns of Navarone". Norm

10-27-2018, 10:56 AM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The only definite "reissued" LP08s I have seen were a few Reichsmarine unit marked LP08s and a very few Weimar police issued LP08s. I have never seen any photographic evidence of Wehrmacht use of LP08s. As to tankers using LP08s, I can testify as a former tanker that the last sidearm an armored crewman would ever carry is an LP08. Our US tanks in the 1970s had a hell of a lot more spacious turrets than did ANY WWII tanks of either side.

10-27-2018, 05:02 PM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I’m surprised that any historian, even a young one, would state as fact something that is only his uninformed opinion. Norm

10-28-2018, 12:24 PM	#14
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Come on Guys. Give Quintin a break. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

10-28-2018, 04:03 PM	#15
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Welcome to the forum............... Like the black knight says..........a mere fleshwound......... Information here or elsewhere on the net...........well, times it gets a little soft. So sometimes things have to pondered a while seems like. Information based on historical documents probably has more meaning to some. Some others think seeing two other examples means it was always that way. So you kinda gotta go with the flow, keep what you want, and discard the rest............or perhaps file it away for later. I agree, kinda hard on the kid; no real need for that really; not that I have a lot of room there. What would Mom say?

10-28-2018, 04:50 PM	#16
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	My Mom would say, and did: "if you don't know what you are talking about, be quiet." __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-28-2018, 05:47 PM	#18
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	If Quintin thinks it's rough here wait 'till he enters academia, they'll crucify him if he can't back up his claims with documentary evidence. Why do you think God invented footnotes? Norm

10-28-2018, 06:11 PM	#19
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	Hey guy's give him a break!!! Remember an expert is only someone a mile from home. One of the reasons I really like this forum is we generally, at least, do not jump all over anyone. Let's not start now. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon