do you own #1451 a Artillery?

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 04:29 PM

Contact me if you own this pistol.

sheepherder · 05-29-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Contact me if you own this pistol.

Jerry, wouldn't there be more than one???

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 05:58 PM

Richard, Not that I know of. #1451 (a) would be a "one of" in Artillery's?

sheepherder · 05-29-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Richard, Not that I know of. #1451 (a) would be a "one of" in Artillery's?

Here's what I was thinking - If Erfurt and DWM both had that number; or if there were more than 10,000 + 1450 artilleries produced in a year; or if there were the same serial in different years; wouldn't there be more than one???

George Anderson · 05-29-2018, 06:20 PM

If it's a stock, what's the cartouche?

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 06:20 PM

Well, when you put it that way I guess you might be right! I don't think there is a way to tell a DWM stock from an Erfurt? Erfurt stocks were not marked any differently than any other I think? Good thoughts though..thanks.

cartouche? is a Crown S

Dick Herman · 05-29-2018, 06:27 PM

Here is a list of the estimated number of LP.08s produced each year.

LP.08 Production
Year Manufacturer Estimated
1914 Erfurt 23,000
1914 DWM 750
1915 DWM 15,000
1916 DWM 20,000
1917 DWM 90,000
1918 DWM 25,000

From Stills "Central Powers"

Ron Wood · 05-29-2018, 06:31 PM

George will give you the definitive answer, but as an iggorant amateur on this topic, I would venture a WAG that your stock with the C/S is a DWM.

I believe Erfurt has identifiable markings.
Ron

George Anderson · 05-29-2018, 06:33 PM

Erfurt stocks were marked wit either a Crown/G or a crown/H.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 06:41 PM

OK, There you have it! I found this excellent example in a foreign country. It was shipped..and disappeared for over two months. As it had to go through customs in New York..I thought it was lost and gone forever. I have lost other Military artifacts in just this way before.

Happy day! It showed up in today's mail. Anyway..it's a new number for a stock in my inventory.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 06:49 PM

LP.08 Production
Year Manufacturer Estimated
1914 Erfurt 23,000
1914 DWM 750
1915 DWM 15,000
1916 DWM 20,000
1917 DWM 90,000
1918 DWM 25,000

From Stills "Central Powers"

From this provided by Dick Herman I guess we can deduce that #1451 (a) would then be a DWM stock produced in 1915?

Edward Tinker · 05-29-2018, 07:01 PM

great deducing by all and great find that finally came to you

Ron Wood · 05-29-2018, 07:02 PM

Great deduction..."say goodnight Gracie...Goodnight George"...

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 07:05 PM

I'm up to my kiester is stitches..Hard to keep all this straight. I guess I can find time to study in the nursing home.

Dick Herman · 05-29-2018, 08:31 PM

Jerry,
Why do you think your board stock would be appropriate for a 1915 LP.08?
I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.

sheepherder · 05-29-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Herman

I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.

Thank you, Dick.

RichSr · 05-29-2018, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Herman

Jerry,
Why do you think your board stock would be appropriate for a 1915 LP.08?
I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.

One of four makes sense to me.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-29-2018, 09:16 PM

Herman.

750+ 15,000 =15,750 so if we discount 10,000 for no suffix this leaves us with 5,750 in the a suffix for 1915? This one being #1457 a of this next 10,000a?

That's supposing they continued the 750 no suffix made in 1914 up to the 10,000 in 1915? Then started the (a) suffix after 10,000 was reached in 1915.

If the no suffix was stopped at 750 at the end of 1914..but begins again at 0 at the start of 1915 with an (a) suffix this stock would match up with #1457 (a) made at the beginning of a new 10,000 run?

Seems like either way this fits 1915. But I am always looking for help. I am willing to see it another way if it makes sense? I could be 25% right!

Yes, You are surely correct. Could be the beginning of any given year...I wonder..is there no way to tell which?

So, this means there could be 4 pistols out there that match?

05-29-2018, 05:58 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Richard, Not that I know of. #1451 (a) would be a "one of" in Artillery's? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 06:20 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Well, when you put it that way I guess you might be right! I don't think there is a way to tell a DWM stock from an Erfurt? Erfurt stocks were not marked any differently than any other I think? Good thoughts though..thanks. cartouche? is a Crown S __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 06:31 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	George will give you the definitive answer, but as an iggorant amateur on this topic, I would venture a WAG that your stock with the C/S is a DWM. I believe Erfurt has identifiable markings. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-29-2018, 06:41 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	OK, There you have it! I found this excellent example in a foreign country. It was shipped..and disappeared for over two months. As it had to go through customs in New York..I thought it was lost and gone forever. I have lost other Military artifacts in just this way before. Happy day! It showed up in today's mail. Anyway..it's a new number for a stock in my inventory. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 06:49 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	LP.08 Production Year Manufacturer Estimated 1914 Erfurt 23,000 1914 DWM 750 1915 DWM 15,000 1916 DWM 20,000 1917 DWM 90,000 1918 DWM 25,000 From Stills "Central Powers" From this provided by Dick Herman I guess we can deduce that #1451 (a) would then be a DWM stock produced in 1915? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 04:29 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	do you own #1451 a Artillery? Contact me if you own this pistol. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 06:20 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	If it's a stock, what's the cartouche?

05-29-2018, 06:27 PM	#7
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Here is a list of the estimated number of LP.08s produced each year. LP.08 Production Year Manufacturer Estimated 1914 Erfurt 23,000 1914 DWM 750 1915 DWM 15,000 1916 DWM 20,000 1917 DWM 90,000 1918 DWM 25,000 From Stills "Central Powers"

05-29-2018, 06:33 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Erfurt stocks were marked wit either a Crown/G or a crown/H.

05-29-2018, 07:01 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	great deducing by all and great find that finally came to you

05-29-2018, 07:02 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Great deduction..."say goodnight Gracie...Goodnight George"... __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-29-2018, 07:05 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	I'm up to my kiester is stitches..Hard to keep all this straight. I guess I can find time to study in the nursing home. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-29-2018, 08:31 PM	#15
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Jerry, Why do you think your board stock would be appropriate for a 1915 LP.08? I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.

05-29-2018, 09:16 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Herman. 750+ 15,000 =15,750 so if we discount 10,000 for no suffix this leaves us with 5,750 in the a suffix for 1915? This one being #1457 a of this next 10,000a? That's supposing they continued the 750 no suffix made in 1914 up to the 10,000 in 1915? Then started the (a) suffix after 10,000 was reached in 1915. If the no suffix was stopped at 750 at the end of 1914..but begins again at 0 at the start of 1915 with an (a) suffix this stock would match up with #1457 (a) made at the beginning of a new 10,000 run? Seems like either way this fits 1915. But I am always looking for help. I am willing to see it another way if it makes sense? I could be 25% right! Yes, You are surely correct. Could be the beginning of any given year...I wonder..is there no way to tell which? So, this means there could be 4 pistols out there that match? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."