Erfurt receivers

k98mike · 03-11-2018, 03:05 PM

Why were all Erfurt receivers cut for the artillery sights, (Small carve out on front top of receiver (chamber area) where barrel connects) when Erfurt only made artillery's in 1914?

Edward Tinker · 03-11-2018, 03:34 PM

see the FAQ http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121

although it is not in writing except in todays books, it is guessed that it was cheaper to keep making it cut once they started to do so (extra steps, doesn't make sense for cheaper I know). You'd think that it would make more sense for DWM to do this...

Lugerdoc · 03-11-2018, 04:37 PM

Mike, True that the Erfurt arsenal only made LPO8s in 1914, until DWM sued them to stop, since the German government only had DWMs permission to make the PO8 pattern pistol per contract. DWM bought Erfurt's supply of LPO8 barrels (perhaps rear sights) and began supplying complete units to the military by late 1914. Apearantly, Erfurt had a lot of notched receivers left in stock that they continued to use on later PO8 production. TH PS: check your DWM LPO8 and you'll see that most have the Erfurt inspection eagle on the right side.

DonVoigt · 03-11-2018, 05:24 PM

Tom,
that is a new story on the Erfurt/DWM L P08 suit(at least to me).
Can you point us to a reference on this?

This in no way explains why "they" kept the notch- which is still a bit of a puzzle- only that bit of "instruction" is documented in one or more of the "books"; Though DWM ignored the directive.

Strange times for sure.

Dwight Gruber · 03-11-2018, 08:54 PM

The Erfurt arsenal produced P08 spare parts. They notched all the receivers so that it was unnecessary to maintain a separate inventory for P08s and LP08s.

--Dwight

DavidJayUden · 03-11-2018, 09:35 PM

Refresh my memory here, but didn't we recently see an Erfurt
P08 without the LP08 rear sight relief cut? Or was that just my wild imagination?
dju

Geo99 · 03-12-2018, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k98mike

Why were all Erfurt receivers cut for the artillery sights, (Small carve out on front top of receiver (chamber area) where barrel connects) when Erfurt only made artillery's in 1914?

First, Erfurt did not only make artillery Lugers in 1914. There were about 7,000 1914 Erfurts made with a 4" barrel.

Second, all Erfurt barrel extensions (receiver) were not cut for artillery sights. Of the 7,000 4" barrel 1914 Erfurts, many (some?) have no cutout. Some collectors think the 1914 marked with 4" barrel were put together later, sometime after 1914

(I forget where I read all this - Still?)

Anyway here is a picture of one (mine).

- Geo

Edward Tinker · 03-12-2018, 12:44 AM

How many DWM LP08’s were made each year?

My point is, that’s a LOT of spare receivers!

Geo99 · 03-12-2018, 12:46 AM

Another pic, with the C/RC stamp on the barrel. Just about every Erfurt Luger I've seen has at least one of these stamps.

- Geo

03-11-2018, 03:05 PM	#1
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Erfurt receivers Why were all Erfurt receivers cut for the artillery sights, (Small carve out on front top of receiver (chamber area) where barrel connects) when Erfurt only made artillery's in 1914?

03-11-2018, 04:37 PM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mike, True that the Erfurt arsenal only made LPO8s in 1914, until DWM sued them to stop, since the German government only had DWMs permission to make the PO8 pattern pistol per contract. DWM bought Erfurt's supply of LPO8 barrels (perhaps rear sights) and began supplying complete units to the military by late 1914. Apearantly, Erfurt had a lot of notched receivers left in stock that they continued to use on later PO8 production. TH PS: check your DWM LPO8 and you'll see that most have the Erfurt inspection eagle on the right side. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-11-2018, 05:24 PM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Tom, that is a new story on the Erfurt/DWM L P08 suit(at least to me). Can you point us to a reference on this? This in no way explains why "they" kept the notch- which is still a bit of a puzzle- only that bit of "instruction" is documented in one or more of the "books"; Though DWM ignored the directive. Strange times for sure. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-12-2018, 12:46 AM	#9
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Another pic, with the C/RC stamp on the barrel. Just about every Erfurt Luger I've seen has at least one of these stamps. - Geo Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

03-11-2018, 03:34 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	see the FAQ http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121 although it is not in writing except in todays books, it is guessed that it was cheaper to keep making it cut once they started to do so (extra steps, doesn't make sense for cheaper I know). You'd think that it would make more sense for DWM to do this...

03-11-2018, 08:54 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	The Erfurt arsenal produced P08 spare parts. They notched all the receivers so that it was unnecessary to maintain a separate inventory for P08s and LP08s. --Dwight

03-11-2018, 09:35 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Refresh my memory here, but didn't we recently see an Erfurt P08 without the LP08 rear sight relief cut? Or was that just my wild imagination? dju

03-12-2018, 12:44 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	How many DWM LP08’s were made each year? My point is, that’s a LOT of spare receivers!