Can You Help Me Identify This Luger?

[Ben M.]

grip screws appear to have washers on them
and something pointy behind the toggle knobs?

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by Ben M.

grip screws appear to have washers on them
and something pointy behind the toggle knobs?

The grip screws have washers on them as they are not original screws and the small head on the screw requires a washer to secure the grips. The "pointy" thing behind the toggle knobs is just the flat abutment behind the toggle knob that is visible because the action is not closed.

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by billyboy1661

I can certainly send more photos but there are no serial numbers or other markings on the gun anywhere. The only markings are the ones on the magazine and the4 small marking near the trigger.

How is possible to buy and own a gun without its serial number?
I'm sure there are millions of guns out there without serial numbers, FWIK really vintage guns were often made without serial numbers, although sometime in the gun life the owner should have taken it to the Police and done all the papers to have is serialized.
The lack of the s/n is often an indicator of a stolen gun here and owning a gun like that would lead you in serious troubles.

[billyboy1661]

Hello everyone and thank you for your comments and explanations. I am learning a great deal!

I am also beginning to understand the gun mechanisms better. I noticed that comments were made about the toggle not being locked and properly seated and i have fixed that. The was a pin that was slightly misaligned in the toggle mechanism that was causing it to hang up and not close completely. I was able to move that pin back in place and voila' it now is completely closed.

I have also attached additional photos as requested and I hope these are clear and focused for you. If anyone needs another photo other than what I have attached just let me know and I'll do my best to get that to you.

Thank you all once again for your assistance!

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by billyboy1661

Hello everyone and thank you for your comments and explanations. I am learning a great deal!

I am also beginning to understand the gun mechanisms better. I noticed that comments were made about the toggle not being locked and properly seated and i have fixed that. The was a pin that was slightly misaligned in the toggle mechanism that was causing it to hang up and not close completely. I was able to move that pin back in place and voila' it now is completely closed.

I have also attached additional photos as requested and I hope these are clear and focused for you. If anyone needs another photo other than what I have attached just let me know and I'll do my best to get that to you.

Thank you all once again for your assistance!

The original toggle latch would have held the "pin" you pushed back in place; obviously the maker of the replacement did not realize this "dual" purpose served by the latch.

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

How is possible to buy and own a gun without its serial number?
I'm sure there are millions of guns out there without serial numbers, FWIK really vintage guns were often made without serial numbers, although sometime in the gun life the owner should have taken it to the Police and done all the papers to have is serialized.
The lack of the s/n is often an indicator of a stolen gun here and owning a gun like that would lead you in serious troubles.

I do not think the lack of serial number on this gun is a problem. True, it is illegal to remove or alter the serial number on a weapon, but given that this is a quite early piece and the modifications were most likely done prior to 1968 I doubt very seriously that BATFE would have any issues with it. It can be transferred by listing NSN (no serial number) on the paperwork as is usually done for pre-1968 guns without a serial number.
Just my opinion
Ron

[billyboy1661]

Thank you for your comments Ron.

Here's is something that occurred to me as I continued to do more research on era of this gun. During the Weimer Era after WWI beginning in 1918, Germany was destabilized economically and there was a geat deal of unrest. Police were oftentimes soldiers returning from the war and with lack of funds many were forced make due with the firearms they had and it was probably not unlikely for guns to be altered. I also read an article that likened the Weimer Era from 1918 - 1933 as Germany’s “Roaring Twenties” with a many criminal gangs involved in narcotics, gambling, prostitution, etc. Perhaps in such a lawless time it might not be that uncommon for a gun like mine to be changed leaving no identification markings - even if it were a police sidearm.

If the markings on the holster represent the Schupo of Merseburg and it is an m1900 frame, could this be a possible explanation?

It's at least an entertaining thought!

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by billyboy1661

Thank you for your comments Ron.

Here's is something that occurred to me as I continued to do more research on era of this gun. During the Weimer Era after WWI beginning in 1918, Germany was destabilized economically and there was a geat deal of unrest. Police were oftentimes soldiers returning from the war and with lack of funds many were forced make due with the firearms they had and it was probably not unlikely for guns to be altered. I also read an article that likened the Weimer Era from 1918 - 1933 as Germany’s “Roaring Twenties” with a many criminal gangs involved in narcotics, gambling, prostitution, etc. Perhaps in such a lawless time it might not be that uncommon for a gun like mine to be changed leaving no identification markings - even if it were a police sidearm.

If the markings on the holster represent the Schupo of Merseburg and it is an m1900 frame, could this be a possible explanation?

It's at least an entertaining thought!

Interesting theory, but I doubt it has anything to do with your pistol. It quite likely lost its markings when polished for re-bluing.

The German populace was "disarmed" at the time, and mere possession of the pistol would have send the carrier to jail. JMHO.

Holsters are quite "portable" and there is no reason to associate this particular holster with that pistol, again JMHO.