1939 P.08 of unknown heritage maybe Luger? - Page 2

mrerick · 02-24-2017, 09:05 AM

The interior marks that you've photographed are factory inspection marks that were applied as the pistol was made (or possibly as it was refurbished). They represent intermediate inspection steps as the parts are manufactured and fitted.

The barrel may have been replaced during the refurbishment by the Austrians. The type font of the serial number dies doesn't look like factory Mauser dies.

The Haneal Schmeisser milled magazine is one of the best made for the gun, and should serve you well shooting it.

Do the new photographs represent the pistol that you have purchased? What was the price?

Marc

RShaw · 02-24-2017, 11:13 AM

Mahlzeit Michi, Schönen Tag!
Yes there is significant putting, but your gun looks like a fine shooter. I too have a collectible, but I have also decided to obtain a shooter... because I like to shoot! After all, guns were made to be shot, and getting that experience is essential, I think, to fully understanding this gun and appreciating what it can do. I do not want not shoot a collectible (that thread in General Discussions) but I DO want a chance to shoot a historic piece without getting all nervous about it.

Your pics are good....

Der_Michi · 02-26-2017, 02:12 PM

Hi Guys!
You like the pics? Thanks, I dir my best

Yeah I bought the Gun last Week. He wanted some 850,- Euros for it (around 900 Dollars), but with the help of you guys and the FAQs here I texted him down to about 660,- Euros (700 Dollars). Since it has all legal Markings I can shoot it here on my range. Austria is very VERY strict when it comes to shooting historical guns. Or guns in particular... or even owning guns. We are allowed to own 2 (!!) guns, while Rifles are unlimited as long as you are 18 years old...

Anyways, it´s fully functional and according to my gunsmith in an outstanding mechanical condition. No need to say that I am happy.

Does anyone have hints about the Markings on the barrel - esp. the jigsaw-styled? Couldn´t find anything about it.

RShaw · 02-26-2017, 03:16 PM

Guten Tag Michi!
You talked him down another EU200 ?! Nice job

Would be very interesting to hear how the gun laws work in Austria... they sound similar to those in the Netherlands (Thread- "Ownership of Firearms in the Netherlands" in General Discussion Forums / General Discussions page 2 dated 12-04-2016)

Der_Michi · 02-27-2017, 01:51 AM

Servus!
Yes, I was surprised too about the price but it seems to be a good sign

Will have a look at the Law-Thread. Sounds interresting!

RShaw · 02-27-2017, 04:04 PM

Good job with your negotiation. Now the fun begins.
BUT be careful.... these guns have a way of "multiplying." The collector and shooter market is very active both in the US and in Europe.... and I am sure in other countries as well...

gunbugs · 02-27-2017, 06:38 PM

I don't think I would worry about them "multiplying", as the poor soul can only legally own 2 handguns at once....how sad.

RShaw · 02-27-2017, 11:34 PM

Oh yes... true.
How about a few Luger carbines? Would they qualify as rifles?

Der_Michi · 03-01-2017, 06:14 AM

Of course there is a chance to declare the Guns as a Collection, so it´s possible to own more than two. But it´s necessary to convince the govs that you´re a real collector by owning lots of literature and stuff about the topic. AND you have to focus on a specific era. Pretty stupid but law is law

RShaw · 03-01-2017, 06:17 AM

Ah well.... Could be worse.... and, as you say, Law is law.
How does collecting work in Austria? Do you also have to declare a specific segment or time period?

Der_Michi · 03-01-2017, 06:45 AM

Yes, but my Gunsmith told me it´s best to stick with the term "Ordonnanzwaffen bis 1945" since it covers any military used weapon until the end of WWII.

RShaw · 03-01-2017, 07:01 AM

Guten Tag Michi!
Your segment: "Ordonnanzwaffen bis 1945" (Government Issued Weapons until 1945) have a starting date? Theoretically you could start anytime! Could this also include weapons made in other countries? Also handguns AND rifles? Good idea.

In the Netherlands we need to be a member of a "Sammlers Schuetzenverein"- (Collectors shooting club). Sounds OK until one finds out that there's an 18 month wait

Der_Michi · 03-07-2017, 03:27 AM

Morgen!
I guess theoretically there is no starting date, but I believe military weapons since they are completely forbidden to own without permission (what else...) are allowed when they are older than 80 years ... or 100? Don´t know exactly...
BUT the segment includes any kind of weapon used in service, except automatic guns and explosives.
We have some govermental goodies for members of Shooting Clubs too, since it is easier for them to purchase special Ammo for example. Like manstopping ammo and the likes.

We have to have a beer together when I am in Amsterdam next time

RShaw · 03-07-2017, 04:05 AM

Guten morgen Michi!
A 1917 DWM, Erfurt, Mauser is now 100 years old

And is not an "automatic."
Yes please let me know when you are in Amsterdam and you can try out special Dutch beer.
ABER..... "Diebels alt" in Duesseldorf ist herrlich!!

Der_Michi · 03-07-2017, 04:53 AM

Haha yesss, Dutch Beer is highly recommended

Sorry, I meant aged Military Rifles. Guns are always very hard to get.

RShaw · 03-07-2017, 05:19 AM

Ahh- historic rifles rather than handguns, OK

02-24-2017, 09:05 AM	#21
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	The interior marks that you've photographed are factory inspection marks that were applied as the pistol was made (or possibly as it was refurbished). They represent intermediate inspection steps as the parts are manufactured and fitted. The barrel may have been replaced during the refurbishment by the Austrians. The type font of the serial number dies doesn't look like factory Mauser dies. The Haneal Schmeisser milled magazine is one of the best made for the gun, and should serve you well shooting it. Do the new photographs represent the pistol that you have purchased? What was the price? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-01-2017, 07:01 AM	#32
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Guten Tag Michi! Your segment: "Ordonnanzwaffen bis 1945" (Government Issued Weapons until 1945) have a starting date? Theoretically you could start anytime! Could this also include weapons made in other countries? Also handguns AND rifles? Good idea. In the Netherlands we need to be a member of a "Sammlers Schuetzenverein"- (Collectors shooting club). Sounds OK until one finds out that there's an 18 month wait __________________ Enjoying any firearm is like staying happily married- take her out on a regular basis, treat her with respect and pay attention to proper maintenance. Looking for magazine no. 7097 Venlo, the Netherlands- RShaw

02-24-2017, 11:13 AM	#22
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Mahlzeit Michi, Schönen Tag! Yes there is significant putting, but your gun looks like a fine shooter. I too have a collectible, but I have also decided to obtain a shooter... because I like to shoot! After all, guns were made to be shot, and getting that experience is essential, I think, to fully understanding this gun and appreciating what it can do. I do not want not shoot a collectible (that thread in General Discussions) but I DO want a chance to shoot a historic piece without getting all nervous about it. Your pics are good....

02-26-2017, 02:12 PM	#23
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Guys! You like the pics? Thanks, I dir my best Yeah I bought the Gun last Week. He wanted some 850,- Euros for it (around 900 Dollars), but with the help of you guys and the FAQs here I texted him down to about 660,- Euros (700 Dollars). Since it has all legal Markings I can shoot it here on my range. Austria is very VERY strict when it comes to shooting historical guns. Or guns in particular... or even owning guns. We are allowed to own 2 (!!) guns, while Rifles are unlimited as long as you are 18 years old... Anyways, it´s fully functional and according to my gunsmith in an outstanding mechanical condition. No need to say that I am happy. Does anyone have hints about the Markings on the barrel - esp. the jigsaw-styled? Couldn´t find anything about it.

02-26-2017, 03:16 PM	#24
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Guten Tag Michi! You talked him down another EU200 ?! Nice job Would be very interesting to hear how the gun laws work in Austria... they sound similar to those in the Netherlands (Thread- "Ownership of Firearms in the Netherlands" in General Discussion Forums / General Discussions page 2 dated 12-04-2016)

02-27-2017, 01:51 AM	#25
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Servus! Yes, I was surprised too about the price but it seems to be a good sign Will have a look at the Law-Thread. Sounds interresting!

02-27-2017, 04:04 PM	#26
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Good job with your negotiation. Now the fun begins. BUT be careful.... these guns have a way of "multiplying." The collector and shooter market is very active both in the US and in Europe.... and I am sure in other countries as well...

02-27-2017, 06:38 PM	#27
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 672 Thanks: 371 Thanked 1,202 Times in 407 Posts	I don't think I would worry about them "multiplying", as the poor soul can only legally own 2 handguns at once....how sad.

02-27-2017, 11:34 PM	#28
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Oh yes... true. How about a few Luger carbines? Would they qualify as rifles?

03-01-2017, 06:14 AM	#29
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Of course there is a chance to declare the Guns as a Collection, so it´s possible to own more than two. But it´s necessary to convince the govs that you´re a real collector by owning lots of literature and stuff about the topic. AND you have to focus on a specific era. Pretty stupid but law is law

03-01-2017, 06:17 AM	#30
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Ah well.... Could be worse.... and, as you say, Law is law. How does collecting work in Austria? Do you also have to declare a specific segment or time period?

03-01-2017, 06:45 AM	#31
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Yes, but my Gunsmith told me it´s best to stick with the term "Ordonnanzwaffen bis 1945" since it covers any military used weapon until the end of WWII.

03-07-2017, 03:27 AM	#33
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Morgen! I guess theoretically there is no starting date, but I believe military weapons since they are completely forbidden to own without permission (what else...) are allowed when they are older than 80 years ... or 100? Don´t know exactly... BUT the segment includes any kind of weapon used in service, except automatic guns and explosives. We have some govermental goodies for members of Shooting Clubs too, since it is easier for them to purchase special Ammo for example. Like manstopping ammo and the likes. We have to have a beer together when I am in Amsterdam next time

03-07-2017, 04:05 AM	#34
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Guten morgen Michi! A 1917 DWM, Erfurt, Mauser is now 100 years old And is not an "automatic." Yes please let me know when you are in Amsterdam and you can try out special Dutch beer. ABER..... "Diebels alt" in Duesseldorf ist herrlich!!

03-07-2017, 04:53 AM	#35
Der_Michi User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Haha yesss, Dutch Beer is highly recommended Sorry, I meant aged Military Rifles. Guns are always very hard to get.

03-07-2017, 05:19 AM	#36
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Ahh- historic rifles rather than handguns, OK