Eugene's 45 ACP Luger - completed and for sale :)

Edward Tinker · 02-12-2017, 06:26 PM

I've said for a long time that if there was a shootable 45 ACP Luger I'd buy it - guess I'd have to sell my 9mm Carbine to get one right now.

But it feels really good in your hand and weighs approx 4 oz less than a 1911A1.

He said he had 12 working copies and sold 5 or 6 already and shipping them in March if I remember right. He has 5 ready to sell. I am not pumping up for sales for Eugene, but he did like I hoped and had models ready to buy rather than taking sales. Within the month I think he will have another dozen as he made frames, uppers and all the parts and just needs to hand-fit.

No magazines, so thats an issue...

sheepherder · 02-12-2017, 07:45 PM

I say (again!) that Eugene should have developed a repro Borchardt C93 rather than a .45 Luger...

I would pay the $5,000 for a Borchardt copy...but not for a .45 Luger copy...

What's Eugene's toggle logo??? I can't make it out...Is it intertwined dollar signs???

DonVoigt · 02-12-2017, 08:28 PM

Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Does he plan on making mags? or are these just wall hangers?

Tough to load a luger without a mag!

Zorba · 02-12-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

i say (again!) that eugene should have developed a repro borchardt c93 rather than a .45 luger...

word.

sheepherder · 02-12-2017, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Or a stock lug. His site says he'll offer different barrel lengths and a carbine option...

http://www.lugerman.com/Pages/MainPages/Luger45.html

Even a 'blank' stock lug, like the stainless Lugers.

"10 monthly payments of $500 buys a seat in the second batch of Lugers."

Get your order in now!

Edward Tinker · 02-12-2017, 10:18 PM

I too would love a Borchardt shooter, but I think the market is a lot smaller - a LOT smaller audience who would want one. And incredibly intricate to make?
Although the Borchardt has been in many gun magazines - the 45 Luger has been prominent in Guns & Ammo, TV, and labeled as the 'million' dollar gun.

The blue prints were of the 2nd 45 Luger, the first one known is in the Norton Museum.

Ed

sheepherder · 02-12-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I too would love a Borchardt shooter, but I think the market is a lot smaller - a LOT smaller audience who would want one. And incredibly intricate to make?

I have the Japanese C93 modelgun made by Craft Apple Works. It was modeled on a 'real' C93 bought by the company's owner/founder, Mr Hongo. He copied it exactly, even down to the serial number. The web site had pictures of the 'real' C93 and the modelgun parts, showing how they were interchangeable (but being mostly plastic, obviously not practical).

I did a thread on that modelgun on this forum. I also copied all the web site pics before I bought the modelgun. It is an accurate 1:1 rendering, except for firing pin and bore/rifling. (It can't be made to fire live rounds).

I originally had thoughts of copying the dimensions into CAD for CNC workstation 'production'. But I don't know of anyone who could transfer/reverse engineer the dimensions into usable drawings/CAD. And I don't have a CNC workstation.

I've stripped it and it is amazingly accurate as to disassembly and function. It chambers, 'fires', and ejects shells.

It is not particularly intricate as far as machineability. It was made at a time when machine tools were much simpler, and fewer in number and function. IMO, it's simpler than a Luger.

If I still had my Bridgeport mill and South Bend lathe, it would be within my capability to make one, given enough time.

A CNC workststion would be much simpler. Load the CAD/CAM software and let it run overnight. Enough nights would yield a complete set of parts.

alanint · 02-13-2017, 07:14 AM

Whatever happened to the Borchardt replica a member here was fabricating a year or so ago? I would to see the finished product!

Norme · 02-13-2017, 07:57 AM

I've never understood the attraction of 45 cal Lugers, when I want to shoot 45ACP I do so in a 1911, like nature intended.
Norm

sheepherder · 02-13-2017, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Whatever happened to the Borchardt replica a member here was fabricating a year or so ago? I would to see the finished product!

That was tennbill2. He posted a series of small blurry pics but never followed up with larger clear pics. Never responded to emails/PMs either. I would like to see more detailed pics too.

Maybe he's planning a run of repros.

Edward Tinker · 02-13-2017, 09:19 AM

tennbill2 - last time he came onto the forum was January 2016

BUT, the Luger was MADE in 45 acp - just as the German Gods desired...

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My favorite handgun is the 1911A1 - simply because it feels like a real gun to me, and is what I carried for many years in the army

spacecoast · 02-13-2017, 10:05 AM

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I've never understood the attraction of 45 cal Lugers, when I want to shoot 45ACP I do so in a 1911, like nature intended.

Norm, I guess you must hate the 9mm 1911s, right?

spacecoast · 02-13-2017, 10:09 AM

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What's Eugene's toggle logo??? I can't make it out...Is it intertwined dollar signs???

Looks like "LMI"

John Sabato · 02-13-2017, 10:30 AM

I never thought I would make this statement, but my hats off to Eugene for actually producing the item before offering it for sale...

It looks like a great buy at less than half of what Mike Krause made his CNC copies... If I had 5 big ones laying around, it would already be in my safe... I am impressed, and I don't impress easily.

Olle · 02-14-2017, 09:02 AM

Considering the magnitude of the project, I'd say that the price is very reasonable. But what's up with the mag? It's not like you can call Triple K or MecGar and order one, so is he planning to make them? Not that I have $5k laying around to buy a gun like this, but the mag would be a huge deal breaker to me.

And I do believe the C93 is a very viable option. We're talking about very low production numbers, so I don't think it's even remotely possible for Eugene to saturate the market. If I had to guess, it would probably not even be possible for him to meet the demand.

sheepherder · 02-14-2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle

And I do believe the C93 is a very viable option. We're talking about very low production numbers, so I don't think it's even remotely possible for Eugene to saturate the market. If I had to guess, it would probably not even be possible for him to meet the demand.

Eugene wasn't interested in a C93 'project'. Eugene wanted a .45 Luger. Now he has one.

cirelaw · 02-14-2017, 09:31 AM

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/w...-dollar-luger/ Eric

LugerMan.com · 02-14-2017, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Does he plan on making mags? or are these just wall hangers?

Tough to load a luger without a mag!

Gun pictured was tested already,

mags are coming, loop will be installed as well.

LugerMan.com · 02-14-2017, 10:32 AM

C93 is not a bad idea,

maybe i can make some... send me the blueprints ...

cirelaw · 02-14-2017, 10:55 AM

Eugene, I commend your enthusiasm and strive for perfection!!

02-12-2017, 06:26 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Eugene's 45 ACP Luger - completed and for sale :) I've said for a long time that if there was a shootable 45 ACP Luger I'd buy it - guess I'd have to sell my 9mm Carbine to get one right now. But it feels really good in your hand and weighs approx 4 oz less than a 1911A1. He said he had 12 working copies and sold 5 or 6 already and shipping them in March if I remember right. He has 5 ready to sell. I am not pumping up for sales for Eugene, but he did like I hoped and had models ready to buy rather than taking sales. Within the month I think he will have another dozen as he made frames, uppers and all the parts and just needs to hand-fit. No magazines, so thats an issue... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV Last edited by Edward Tinker; 02-14-2017 at 10:36 AM.

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I say (again!) that Eugene should have developed a repro Borchardt C93 rather than a .45 Luger... I would pay the $5,000 for a Borchardt copy...but not for a .45 Luger copy... What's Eugene's toggle logo??? I can't make it out...Is it intertwined dollar signs??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop? Does he plan on making mags? or are these just wall hangers? Tough to load a luger without a mag! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I never thought I would make this statement, but my hats off to Eugene for actually producing the item before offering it for sale... It looks like a great buy at less than half of what Mike Krause made his CNC copies... If I had 5 big ones laying around, it would already be in my safe... I am impressed, and I don't impress easily. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 664 Times in 318 Posts	Considering the magnitude of the project, I'd say that the price is very reasonable. But what's up with the mag? It's not like you can call Triple K or MecGar and order one, so is he planning to make them? Not that I have $5k laying around to buy a gun like this, but the mag would be a huge deal breaker to me. And I do believe the C93 is a very viable option. We're talking about very low production numbers, so I don't think it's even remotely possible for Eugene to saturate the market. If I had to guess, it would probably not even be possible for him to meet the demand. __________________ Deer Hollow Enterprises, LLC Gun repair and restoration

02-12-2017, 10:18 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I too would love a Borchardt shooter, but I think the market is a lot smaller - a LOT smaller audience who would want one. And incredibly intricate to make? Although the Borchardt has been in many gun magazines - the 45 Luger has been prominent in Guns & Ammo, TV, and labeled as the 'million' dollar gun. The blue prints were of the 2nd 45 Luger, the first one known is in the Norton Museum. Ed

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Whatever happened to the Borchardt replica a member here was fabricating a year or so ago? I would to see the finished product!

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	I've never understood the attraction of 45 cal Lugers, when I want to shoot 45ACP I do so in a 1911, like nature intended. Norm

02-13-2017, 09:19 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	tennbill2 - last time he came onto the forum was January 2016 BUT, the Luger was MADE in 45 acp - just as the German Gods desired... --------------- My favorite handgun is the 1911A1 - simply because it feels like a real gun to me, and is what I carried for many years in the army

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/w...-dollar-luger/ Eric

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LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	C93 C93 is not a bad idea, maybe i can make some... send me the blueprints ... __________________ Eugene@LugerMan.com

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Eugene, I commend your enthusiasm and strive for perfection!!