Another Newbie...

poker · 01-20-2017, 02:12 PM

Hi there,
my name is Andreas, i live in germany. my english is not that good, so please use simple words

I plan to buy an old P08 from a friend but i dont know the differences between the models.
I've looked at all websites i could reach and found this one, tried to identify the model of the gun, but there are too many markes the gun misses.

All parts have the same number (67) or (7) inside and outside the gun, but on some parts i could not find a number, but the gun was never modified and should be original.

Ok, here are the photos, can you give me more informations of this model?:

DavidJayUden · 01-20-2017, 04:06 PM

Welcome to you!
I can't see if there is a date over the chamber, so we can't help too much, but it was manufactured by DWM, apparently for WW1. The numbers and many markings have been buffed off, so again it is difficult to be specific, but it has been heavily buffed and then re-blued, not the original finish.
Congratulations on your purchase.
david

kurusu · 01-20-2017, 04:07 PM

This pistol was badly refinished. There are far better Lugers in Germany. Check egun.

I wouldn't buy this one. Even if it was very cheap.

poker · 01-20-2017, 04:57 PM

Hello again,
many thanks for your answers, that was very helpful.
I think i would not buy this gun after that.
Maybe someone could rework that bad finish, but i think the metal looks quiet badly under that paint. It seems to be full of dents and scars, maybe that is the reason why it had been refinished.
@kurusu: you are right, i think i'll take a look.

johnb593 · 01-20-2017, 05:35 PM

I agree although I too am a novice Luger buyer. That's a pretty rough finish unfortunately.

Eugen · 01-20-2017, 06:57 PM

Poker, welcome!
As mentioned, the gun was poorly refinished and there is evidence of corrosion. This one is not very good for an investment. But, could be good for a shooter. The photos don't reveal much more information.

Unless it is extremely inexpensive, find and buy a better Luger.

Please look at the FAQ section of this forum for very helpful information.

kurusu · 01-21-2017, 09:33 AM

This is just an exemple:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6248478

kurusu · 01-21-2017, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

Poker, welcome!

But, could be good for a shooter.

I wouldn't trust a DWM in this condition as a shooter. Nor a Mauser for that matter.

rhuff · 01-21-2017, 12:44 PM

In my opinion, for a first Luger, this would not be the one. There has been/still is, a lot of corrosion and pitting and we can not see the insides of the Luger. I would look elsewhere.

Sergio Natali · 01-22-2017, 12:43 PM

Welcome from Northern Italy, this is one of the best gun forums on the Net, you'll like it.

Back to your question, it depends on what you want: either a collectible or a shooter.
If you really want to learn, apart from books of course, you cold get a cheapish Luger like a P08 made by MAUSER towards 1942, even a mismatched Russian capture, as a first luger would do, you could learn how to take it down and reassemble without the fear of ruining it.

RShaw · 01-22-2017, 03:42 PM

Hi Andreas,
I worked in Neuss near Duesseldorf for 27 years and have a very high respect for German engineering and workmanship- one main reason why I am interested in Luger pistols. I have been doing this only for a very short time. When I first saw your photos, I thought, "seems that this gun has been heavily used or badly taken care of..." I myself would avoid buying this piece even for shooting purposes. As was said earlier, there are many very good examples of the P08 Luger in Germany- for shooting or as collector pieces- be patient, look around and learn. This forum is a great place for advice.

By the way, I am an English instructor- your English is quite good really.....

Ron Wood · 01-22-2017, 04:22 PM

Andreas,
I agree with Robert (RShaw), your English is pretty good...better than my German!

I also agree that if you take your time you should be able to find a much better condition Luger for a reasonable price.
Ron

01-20-2017, 02:12 PM	#1
poker New User Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another Newbie... Hi there, my name is Andreas, i live in germany. my english is not that good, so please use simple words I plan to buy an old P08 from a friend but i dont know the differences between the models. I've looked at all websites i could reach and found this one, tried to identify the model of the gun, but there are too many markes the gun misses. All parts have the same number (67) or (7) inside and outside the gun, but on some parts i could not find a number, but the gun was never modified and should be original. Ok, here are the photos, can you give me more informations of this model?: Last edited by poker; 01-24-2017 at 01:44 PM.

01-20-2017, 06:57 PM	#6
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 796 Thanks: 403 Thanked 639 Times in 338 Posts	Poker, welcome! As mentioned, the gun was poorly refinished and there is evidence of corrosion. This one is not very good for an investment. But, could be good for a shooter. The photos don't reveal much more information. Unless it is extremely inexpensive, find and buy a better Luger. Please look at the FAQ section of this forum for very helpful information. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

01-22-2017, 12:43 PM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Welcome from Northern Italy, this is one of the best gun forums on the Net, you'll like it. Back to your question, it depends on what you want: either a collectible or a shooter. If you really want to learn, apart from books of course, you cold get a cheapish Luger like a P08 made by MAUSER towards 1942, even a mismatched Russian capture, as a first luger would do, you could learn how to take it down and reassemble without the fear of ruining it. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-22-2017, 04:22 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Andreas, I agree with Robert (RShaw), your English is pretty good...better than my German! I also agree that if you take your time you should be able to find a much better condition Luger for a reasonable price. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-20-2017, 04:06 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Welcome to you! I can't see if there is a date over the chamber, so we can't help too much, but it was manufactured by DWM, apparently for WW1. The numbers and many markings have been buffed off, so again it is difficult to be specific, but it has been heavily buffed and then re-blued, not the original finish. Congratulations on your purchase. david

01-20-2017, 04:07 PM	#3
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	This pistol was badly refinished. There are far better Lugers in Germany. Check egun. I wouldn't buy this one. Even if it was very cheap.

01-20-2017, 04:57 PM	#4
poker New User Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello again, many thanks for your answers, that was very helpful. I think i would not buy this gun after that. Maybe someone could rework that bad finish, but i think the metal looks quiet badly under that paint. It seems to be full of dents and scars, maybe that is the reason why it had been refinished. @kurusu: you are right, i think i'll take a look.

01-20-2017, 05:35 PM	#5
johnb593 User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 22 Thanks: 16 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	I agree although I too am a novice Luger buyer. That's a pretty rough finish unfortunately.

01-21-2017, 09:33 AM	#7
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	This is just an exemple: http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6248478

01-21-2017, 12:44 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	In my opinion, for a first Luger, this would not be the one. There has been/still is, a lot of corrosion and pitting and we can not see the insides of the Luger. I would look elsewhere.

01-22-2017, 03:42 PM	#11
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Hi Andreas, I worked in Neuss near Duesseldorf for 27 years and have a very high respect for German engineering and workmanship- one main reason why I am interested in Luger pistols. I have been doing this only for a very short time. When I first saw your photos, I thought, "seems that this gun has been heavily used or badly taken care of..." I myself would avoid buying this piece even for shooting purposes. As was said earlier, there are many very good examples of the P08 Luger in Germany- for shooting or as collector pieces- be patient, look around and learn. This forum is a great place for advice. By the way, I am an English instructor- your English is quite good really.....