Steyr Roth M1907

Olle · 01-02-2017, 11:38 PM

I was lucky to find a nice one before they became too expensive. I don't think it has been used much at all, no markings on the brass disc (unissued?), great condition and still has a dab of what appears to be factory grease on the barrel.

And regarding Rich's comment about the "styling": Once you take it apart, you'll find that the shape of the gun is mostly determined by the inner workings. There is not much excess steel at all, for example the section that covers the barrel is like a thin wall steel tube. It's so thin that it makes you wonder how they could even machine it without distorting or collapsing it. It's a fairly large gun and it looks like it would weigh a ton, but it's actually not heavy at all.

Angus Magnus · 01-03-2017, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle

I was lucky to find a nice one before they became too expensive. I don't think it has been used much at all, no markings on the brass disc (unissued?), great condition and still has a dab of what appears to be factory grease on the barrel.

And regarding Rich's comment about the "styling": Once you take it apart, you'll find that the shape of the gun is mostly determined by the inner workings. There is not much excess steel at all, for example the section that covers the barrel is like a thin wall steel tube. It's so thin that it makes you wonder how they could even machine it without distorting or collapsing it. It's a fairly large gun and it looks like it would weigh a ton, but it's actually not heavy at all.

Oh wow!
Spectacular example!

Have you shot it or are you conserving that grease stain?

I am curious... how long ago did you get it and how much were they before they "became too expensive"?

I picked up a Benelli B76 about 4-5 years ago. They were several listed and relisted on gunbroker without any bids. I picked up a mint one without a box for $300. Now they are hovering around the $1000 mark and recently saw one NIB go for a truly absurd price: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/589550942

Truly truly regret not getting a sport version for $500...

Angus Magnus · 01-03-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle

I was lucky to find a nice one before they became too expensive. I don't think it has been used much at all, no markings on the brass disc (unissued?).

Does it have that acceptance and date mark?

I wonder if the unit disks were always used or only if issued to certain types of units? Perhaps pistols for general staff officers went unmarked?

Olle · 01-04-2017, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

Oh wow!
Spectacular example!

Have you shot it or are you conserving that grease stain?

I am curious... how long ago did you get it and how much were they before they "became too expensive"?

I picked up a Benelli B76 about 4-5 years ago. They were several listed and relisted on gunbroker without any bids. I picked up a mint one without a box for $300. Now they are hovering around the $1000 mark and recently saw one NIB go for a truly absurd price: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/589550942

Truly truly regret not getting a sport version for $500...

I will not shoot it, and the grease will stay right where it's at.

I believe the guy was asking $800 (2011), but through some successful trading with him I ended up having maybe $300-$400 in it. I believe $700-$800 was the going rate at the time, at least I remember feeling very confident that I could get one for that price. Coincidentally, a friend bought one in similar condition for $800 at about the same time.

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

Does it have that acceptance and date mark?

I wonder if the unit disks were always used or only if issued to certain types of units? Perhaps pistols for general staff officers went unmarked?

Yes, it was accepted in Vienna 1910. Not sure how the discs were supposed to be used, but it's certainly possible that some weren't marked. I can't recall seeing one without disc, so if the user didn't think the marking served a purpose it probably wasn't marked either.

Angus Magnus · 01-04-2017, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle

I believe the guy was asking $800 (2011), but through some successful trading with him I ended up having maybe $300-$400 in it. I believe $700-$800 was the going rate at the time, at least I remember feeling very confident that I could get one for that price. Coincidentally, a friend bought one in similar condition for $800 at about the same time.

What a bargain! Ah, the halcyon days...

Now my hunt begins. Hopefully I can come back here in the future to show off my find and make you guys drool!

Olle · 01-04-2017, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

What a bargain! Ah, the halcyon days...

Now my hunt begins. Hopefully I can come back here in the future to show off my find and make you guys drool!

Yeah, if I had only had that crystal ball I would have bought a bunch of them. Plus all the other cool guns that have gone through the roof, like the Steyr-Mannlicher pistols. However, I have learned not to dwell on missed opportunities, I'm perfectly content with the good deals I actually got.

Anyway, your gun is out there, you just have to wait until it surfaces. Patience you must have, my young padawan.

kurusu · 01-04-2017, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle

Anyway, your gun is out there, you just have to wait until it surfaces. Patience you must have, my young padawan.

yeah! I know that line.

Also have a prayer for it:

Mighty Lord give me patience... BUT, GIVE IT NOW!!!

Angus Magnus · 01-04-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

yeah! I know that line.

Also have a prayer for it:

Mighty Lord give me patience... BUT, GIVE IT NOW!!!

Hahahaha
That's exactly the sentiment!

So far I have spotted two candidates at the extremes:

#1 Steyr - Must've been wrapped in something unsavory or stored in leather for years, no pitting but finish is browned and splotchy. Internals and bore VG+/EX. Grips have seen some abuse, but nothing too drastic. Unit marked "D.R." (anyone know?) $600

#2 Feg - Finish is 90-95% and gorgeous, hairline crack in left grip, with holster. No unit mark. $1800

Rescue the ugly stray or pay up for the showdog?

Cant take both... they will fight and eat me out of house and home...

sheepherder · 01-05-2017, 06:12 PM

While looking for that writeup on the Roth-Steyr, I noticed this 7.65 Roth-Sauer...

Like a Baby Roth-Steyr!

Angus Magnus · 01-05-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

While looking for that writeup on the Roth-Steyr, I noticed this 7.65 Roth-Sauer...

Like a Baby Roth-Steyr!

That's extremely cute!

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Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 664 Times in 318 Posts	I was lucky to find a nice one before they became too expensive. I don't think it has been used much at all, no markings on the brass disc (unissued?), great condition and still has a dab of what appears to be factory grease on the barrel. And regarding Rich's comment about the "styling": Once you take it apart, you'll find that the shape of the gun is mostly determined by the inner workings. There is not much excess steel at all, for example the section that covers the barrel is like a thin wall steel tube. It's so thin that it makes you wonder how they could even machine it without distorting or collapsing it. It's a fairly large gun and it looks like it would weigh a ton, but it's actually not heavy at all. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Deer Hollow Enterprises, LLC Gun repair and restoration