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mrerick · 09-14-2016, 06:27 PM

The tooling and gauges (along with DWM parts) were shipped from Berlin to Oberndorf in 1930. There is actually an inventory done documented by August Weiss.

For a period of time before producing the "K" date military Lugers, Oberndorf was assembling and finishing Lugers from old DWM parts. This is likely one of those, depending on the serial number (perhaps a "t" suffix)...

Hallock and van de Kand indicate that a few blank toggles were moved from Berlin to Oberndorf. The "u" suffix was populated by Mauser made guns like this. Most were in the "v" sn range. This gun was made well into the "u" serial number range. It's possible that this was part of the DWM "Riff: contract that the government prevented shipping. Those were reported in the "u" suffix block. An August Weiss document reports some blank toggles that were delivered to the German police. Hallock and van de Kant call this a "T-2" variation.

It's more likely that this was made in 1929 in Berlin by DWM instead of and just before moving to Oberndorf, but possible it was made from left over "Riff" parts in Oberndorf.

I can't make out the acceptance marks on the receiver.

Marc

sheepherder · 09-14-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

The tooling and gauges (along with DWM parts) were shipped from Berlin to Oberndorf in 1930. There is actually an inventory done documented by August Weiss.

Sturgess & Gortz report that "In May 1930, all special machines, jigs, gauges, tables of dimensions, drawings and operations plans for the Parabellum pistol were transported by rail from Berlin to Oberndorf". They go on to say, after that letter you refer to, that "Mass production of the P08 for the Reichswehr (re-named Wehrmacht on 16 March 1935) with their own manufactured components did not commence at Mauser until 1934".

There were several reasons quoted for the delay, "lack of competance in all Parabellum matters, unfriendly acts bordering on sabotage, vital equipment damaged in transit because the Berlin-Wittinau dispatchers had failed to secure the machines properly on rail cars, or foremen and master-workmen in Berlin had 'secured' essential drawings and operating plans 'lest such papers might fall into enemies hands'".

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I just explained what I believe it "is"

I believe that explains what it "isn't".

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	The tooling and gauges (along with DWM parts) were shipped from Berlin to Oberndorf in 1930. There is actually an inventory done documented by August Weiss. For a period of time before producing the "K" date military Lugers, Oberndorf was assembling and finishing Lugers from old DWM parts. This is likely one of those, depending on the serial number (perhaps a "t" suffix)... Hallock and van de Kand indicate that a few blank toggles were moved from Berlin to Oberndorf. The "u" suffix was populated by Mauser made guns like this. Most were in the "v" sn range. This gun was made well into the "u" serial number range. It's possible that this was part of the DWM "Riff: contract that the government prevented shipping. Those were reported in the "u" suffix block. An August Weiss document reports some blank toggles that were delivered to the German police. Hallock and van de Kant call this a "T-2" variation. It's more likely that this was made in 1929 in Berlin by DWM instead of and just before moving to Oberndorf, but possible it was made from left over "Riff" parts in Oberndorf. I can't make out the acceptance marks on the receiver. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.