Armslist rip-off

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2016, 06:36 PM

is this a realllllly good deal or?

https://www.armslist.com/posts/56024...ith-stock-p-08

and this picture, although different carbine (mine) sure looks like Eugenes backdrop and this isn't a restore for sale by him...

Ed

wayne8661 · 07-07-2016, 07:07 PM

There are a ton of scams on armslist. A lot of Lugers listed for sale have pictures from Joe Salters website

DonVoigt · 07-07-2016, 08:50 PM

Private non-registered seller, located in Texas, Texas; now why would you be suspicious?

sheepherder · 07-07-2016, 08:59 PM

Price is reasonable...and you don't have to wait three years...

...If it even exists...

lugerholsterrepair · 07-07-2016, 10:08 PM

Shipping:
No ??

This is original 1920 Luger carbine.

In original 7.65x21 or 30 Luger caliber.

Barrel is 12.75 inch long.

This gun is C&R eligible and exempt from a SBR law.

This is a 1920 Model and has commercial proofs.

Gun is fully restored with rust blue finish.

Wooden forearm is a reproduction.

Wooden shoulder stock is made in Germany in 1960s

Bore is in perfect shape.

It has a coil main spring setup and

have been calibrated to work with moder ammunition pressure.

All markings and numbers are clearly visible.

Test fired and functioning perfectly.

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2016, 10:28 PM

personally I have never trusted moder ammo

ithacaartist · 07-07-2016, 11:57 PM

Yup, these ads make a body feel like he found one of those WWII pennies made of copper instead of steel! But the experience turns out to be yet another example to prove the rule that if it seems too good to be true... I got all stirred up about a Navy in just about this price range on Armslist a few years ago. Fortunately, I hadn't sent $ when my dealer found their FFL to be a phony. I also found the same pics listed on two other sites--one of those was the real owner, who listed it for considerably more. Reporting the situation to everyone from the website to the BATFE yielded no detectable results. I had nibbled at the juicy bait, but dodged the hook.

Sergio Natali · 07-08-2016, 02:18 AM

Most of the times you get what you pay for, just for a comparison, the carbine pictured below (s/n 24xxx range) was for sale at the price of about 16500.00 $ (equivalent in EURO) with a reputable gunshop near where I live.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-08-2016, 10:37 AM

Ed, I don't know why not because.... have been calibrated to work with moder ammunition pressure.

sheepherder · 07-08-2016, 10:56 AM

Ed mentioned that it looks like Eugene's backdrop, but it's not the backdrop on Eugene's present site. It does look like the backdrop for Ed's carbine. Ed also pointed out that the spelling, grammar, and syntax are all consistent with Eugene's style of speech/writing. My WAG would be that this ad was copied from an old Lugerman auction, maybe the one that the seller bought this carbine from. Ed did say that Eugene told him he had sold that carbine to a buyer in Texas.

This may well be the deal we all hope for...The stuff dreams are made of...

sheepherder · 07-08-2016, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

...and this picture, although different carbine (mine) sure looks like Eugenes backdrop and this isn't a restore for sale by him...

If it's a legitimate sale, it would be a smart idea for Eugene to buy it & resell it to one of the many hopeful buyers on his waiting list...I'm just sayin'...

Olle · 07-08-2016, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ed mentioned that it looks like Eugene's backdrop, but it's not the backdrop on Eugene's present site. It does look like the backdrop for Ed's carbine. Ed also pointed out that the spelling, grammar, and syntax are all consistent with Eugene's style of speech/writing. My WAG would be that this ad was copied from an old Lugerman auction, maybe the one that the seller bought this carbine from. Ed did say that Eugene told him he had sold that carbine to a buyer in Texas.

Somebody did that to me not too long ago, took my pictures and description and advertised it at less than half the price. I contacted him and made an offer on it, and he was more than willing to negotiate. One of my imaginary friends happens to live in the same city as this person, and it got very complicated when I asked him if could swing by to pay him and pick up the gun...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Price seems awfully low, but I expect my niece will sell all my handguns for pennies on the dollar. This may well be the deal we all hope for...The stuff dreams are made of...

Why don't you contact NBC or Fox, I think you have more than enough material for a reality show. "In this weeks episode, the niece throws a box full of rare C96 parts in a dumpster, and lets the cats run wild in Sheepherder's shop..."

kurusu · 07-08-2016, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I expect that is exactly what will happen. Three disassembled Honda CB550 motorcycles, many boxes of firearms parts, Luger buttstocks & forearms, miscellaneous tooling, jigs, and fixtures. Several Corvette transmissions, two or three palletloads of used Vette parts, and two complete Honda motorcycles. Those she will likely park at the street with a "Best Offer" sign. The Vette also, I suppose...

I have no idea what she'll do with my handgun/rifle 'collection'...Probably give them to her sons with instructions for them to "get rid of them"...

You'll just have to outlive your niece.

Or make an airtight testament and leave your possessions to people who would appreciate them.

sheepherder · 07-08-2016, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

You'll just have to outlive your niece.

Or make an airtight testament and leave your possessions to people who would appreciate them.

Yeah, my life sucks.

Anyway, has anyone emailed the seller yet???

OK, I joined Armslist and sent the seller an email.

sheepherder · 07-08-2016, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Private non-registered seller, located in Texas, Texas; now why would you be suspicious?

When you send a letter to New York City, you address it "New York, New York". The "City" is left out. So, his town is probably "Texas City, Texas" but letters are addressed to "Texas, Texas".

DonVoigt · 07-08-2016, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

When you send a letter to New York City, you address it "New York, New York". The "City" is left out. So, his town is probably "Texas City, Texas" but letters are addressed to "Texas, Texas".

Could be, but I doubt it in this case!

DTR04 · 07-08-2016, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

So, his town is probably "Texas City, Texas" but letters are addressed to "Texas, Texas".

Nope, not how it works.

sheepherder · 07-08-2016, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Could be, but I doubt it in this case!

Here it is...South of Houston on Rt 45...

(Hmmmm...Copyright 1983 Rand McNally...I need a new trip book...)

cirelaw · 07-08-2016, 09:25 PM

A man with a very long shadow!!!

DonVoigt · 07-08-2016, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Here it is...South of Abilene on Rt 83...

(Hmmmm...Copyright 1983 Rand McNally...I need a new trip book...)

I didn't doubt there was a Texas City, just that the guy lived in Texas, Texas -Texas or anywhere near; kind of like an "alias" so no one could show up!

07-07-2016, 06:36 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Armslist rip-off is this a realllllly good deal or? https://www.armslist.com/posts/56024...ith-stock-p-08 and this picture, although different carbine (mine) sure looks like Eugenes backdrop and this isn't a restore for sale by him... Ed Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 08:50 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Private non-registered seller, located in Texas, Texas; now why would you be suspicious? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-07-2016, 08:59 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Price is reasonable...and you don't have to wait three years... ...If it even exists... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-07-2016, 10:08 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,866 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Shipping: No ?? This is original 1920 Luger carbine. In original 7.65x21 or 30 Luger caliber. Barrel is 12.75 inch long. This gun is C&R eligible and exempt from a SBR law. This is a 1920 Model and has commercial proofs. Gun is fully restored with rust blue finish. Wooden forearm is a reproduction. Wooden shoulder stock is made in Germany in 1960s Bore is in perfect shape. It has a coil main spring setup and have been calibrated to work with moder ammunition pressure. All markings and numbers are clearly visible. Test fired and functioning perfectly. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-07-2016, 11:57 PM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,290 Thanks: 7,055 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	Yup, these ads make a body feel like he found one of those WWII pennies made of copper instead of steel! But the experience turns out to be yet another example to prove the rule that if it seems too good to be true... I got all stirred up about a Navy in just about this price range on Armslist a few years ago. Fortunately, I hadn't sent $ when my dealer found their FFL to be a phony. I also found the same pics listed on two other sites--one of those was the real owner, who listed it for considerably more. Reporting the situation to everyone from the website to the BATFE yielded no detectable results. I had nibbled at the juicy bait, but dodged the hook. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

07-07-2016, 07:07 PM	#2
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	There are a ton of scams on armslist. A lot of Lugers listed for sale have pictures from Joe Salters website

07-07-2016, 10:28 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	personally I have never trusted moder ammo

07-08-2016, 02:18 AM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Most of the times you get what you pay for, just for a comparison, the carbine pictured below (s/n 24xxx range) was for sale at the price of about 16500.00 $ (equivalent in EURO) with a reputable gunshop near where I live. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-08-2016, 10:37 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,866 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Ed, I don't know why not because.... have been calibrated to work with moder ammunition pressure. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-08-2016, 10:56 AM	#10
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Ed mentioned that it looks like Eugene's backdrop, but it's not the backdrop on Eugene's present site. It does look like the backdrop for Ed's carbine. Ed also pointed out that the spelling, grammar, and syntax are all consistent with Eugene's style of speech/writing. My WAG would be that this ad was copied from an old Lugerman auction, maybe the one that the seller bought this carbine from. Ed did say that Eugene told him he had sold that carbine to a buyer in Texas. This may well be the deal we all hope for...The stuff dreams are made of... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 07-08-2016 at 05:46 PM.

07-08-2016, 09:25 PM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A man with a very long shadow!!!