Do you see what I see? - Page 2

tharpo · 07-05-2016, 03:47 PM

If the gun is not as described by the seller I think you have two options.
1. Return it for a full refund.
2. Ask for a reduction in the price.
It all depends on how much you want to keep the Luger.

Tom

wayne8661 · 07-05-2016, 03:48 PM

I havent purchased it yet I am on the fence.

wayne8661 · 07-05-2016, 03:54 PM

A couple of photos

DTR04 · 07-05-2016, 04:00 PM

I tend to think that it is a factory error. I don't see why a middle toggle link would be replaced. Breechbolt, yes, they can be damaged. Complete toggle train, yes, for whatever reason. Just my opinion with no way to prove one way or the other.

kurusu · 07-05-2016, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

I havent purchased it yet I am on the fence.

Indecision will only get you so far.

You'll end up afraid of your own shadow.

wayne8661 · 07-05-2016, 05:06 PM

Lol

Sergio Natali · 07-06-2016, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

I havent purchased it yet I am on the fence.

Wayne

Do what you want but if I'm not totally convinced of what I'm seeing, I don't buy it.

sheepherder · 07-06-2016, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DTR04

I don't see why a middle toggle link would be replaced.

I have replaced a middle toggle link because I found a better one (less pits). But I am not a collector and whether the numbers match or not means little to me (as long as the price is right).

(I'll delete this post in seven days).

mrerick · 07-06-2016, 08:58 AM

Even if the toggle train is complete as shipped from the factory, remember that you'll always feel the need to explain the irregularity in the future.

I have a 1936 Mauser Luger with a serial numbering flaw. It's a beautiful example, including the flaw and the overstamp to correct it. It's still an irregularity.

wayne8661 · 07-07-2016, 12:03 PM

Well, I know this will probably make alot of you cringe But, I picked the pistol up today I couldn't pass.
Even with an unnumbered, unexplained middle toggle link that does hurt the value a bit I am still
confident its period.

A 1912 Unit marked DWM who wouldnt appreciate it.

wayne8661 · 07-07-2016, 12:04 PM

Well, I know this will probably make alot of you cringe But, I picked the pistol up today I couldn't pass.
Even with an unnumbered, unexplained middle toggle link that does hurt the value a bit I am still
confident its period.

A 1912 Unit marked DWM who wouldnt appreciate it.

DavidJayUden · 07-07-2016, 12:20 PM

Congrats. on your new Luger. A lot of these have some mystery to them, and yours is no exception.
Enjoy!
dju

Sergio Natali · 07-07-2016, 12:26 PM

Wayne

After all the most important thing is not its real value, but the the fact that you're happy with it, so congrats on your new Luger.

Vlim · 07-07-2016, 04:44 PM

Mid toggle links do break. Usually it is the bit that retains the firing pin guide. Also the metal strip just above the firing pin extension can shear off. I've seen a couple of those.

Evan Duke · 07-07-2016, 06:29 PM

Ok lets get this straight. If I say my luger is a 9mm cal but it shoots 30 cal I could say that it is a variable cal gun depending on the day of the week or the availability of ammo. Now would this be a rectractible statement or am I just confused about the day of the week ?

George Anderson · 07-07-2016, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan Duke

Ok lets get this straight. If I say my luger is a 9mm cal but it shoots 30 cal I could say that it is a variable cal gun depending on the day of the week or the availability of ammo. Now would this be a rectractible statement or am I just confused about the day of the week ?

Evan, I would recommend abstention as well as brisk walks every afternoon and morning.

DTR04 · 07-07-2016, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Mid toggle links do break. Usually it is the bit that retains the firing pin guide. Also the metal strip just above the firing pin extension can shear off. I've seen a couple of those.

If I am not mistaken, the firing pin guide is retained in the breechblock. Agreed that the tab that retracts the firing pin could break.

RichSr · 07-07-2016, 08:20 PM

"the bit that retains the firing pin guide" If I'm not mistaken, that is contained in the breechblock not the "mid toggle link"
Oops, Got beat by another Texan

Evan Duke · 07-07-2016, 10:03 PM

Thanks George, I will try that right after my breakfast beer.

John Sabato · 07-08-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Evan Duke

Thanks George, I will try that right after my breakfast beer.

...and if you are actually shooting .30 Cal Luger and 9mm interchangeably in this pistol. Please make sure your health and hospitalization insurance is paid up... and if you are having beer for breakfast also make sure that you have someone else drive you for the trip to the emergency room...

07-05-2016, 03:54 PM	#23
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	A couple of photos Attached Thumbnails

07-06-2016, 08:58 AM	#29
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Even if the toggle train is complete as shipped from the factory, remember that you'll always feel the need to explain the irregularity in the future. I have a 1936 Mauser Luger with a serial numbering flaw. It's a beautiful example, including the flaw and the overstamp to correct it. It's still an irregularity. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-07-2016, 12:26 PM	#33
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Wayne After all the most important thing is not its real value, but the the fact that you're happy with it, so congrats on your new Luger. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-07-2016, 08:20 PM	#38
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 154 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	"the bit that retains the firing pin guide" If I'm not mistaken, that is contained in the breechblock not the "mid toggle link" Oops, Got beat by another Texan __________________ Rich Last edited by RichSr; 07-07-2016 at 08:22 PM. Reason: too slow

07-05-2016, 03:47 PM	#21
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	If the gun is not as described by the seller I think you have two options. 1. Return it for a full refund. 2. Ask for a reduction in the price. It all depends on how much you want to keep the Luger. Tom

07-05-2016, 03:48 PM	#22
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I havent purchased it yet I am on the fence.

07-05-2016, 04:00 PM	#24
DTR04 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 52 Thanks: 93 Thanked 36 Times in 18 Posts	I tend to think that it is a factory error. I don't see why a middle toggle link would be replaced. Breechbolt, yes, they can be damaged. Complete toggle train, yes, for whatever reason. Just my opinion with no way to prove one way or the other.

07-05-2016, 05:06 PM	#26
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Lol

07-07-2016, 12:03 PM	#30
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Well, I know this will probably make alot of you cringe But, I picked the pistol up today I couldn't pass. Even with an unnumbered, unexplained middle toggle link that does hurt the value a bit I am still confident its period. A 1912 Unit marked DWM who wouldnt appreciate it.

07-07-2016, 12:04 PM	#31
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Well, I know this will probably make alot of you cringe But, I picked the pistol up today I couldn't pass. Even with an unnumbered, unexplained middle toggle link that does hurt the value a bit I am still confident its period. A 1912 Unit marked DWM who wouldnt appreciate it.

07-07-2016, 12:20 PM	#32
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Congrats. on your new Luger. A lot of these have some mystery to them, and yours is no exception. Enjoy! dju

07-07-2016, 04:44 PM	#34
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Mid toggle links do break. Usually it is the bit that retains the firing pin guide. Also the metal strip just above the firing pin extension can shear off. I've seen a couple of those.

07-07-2016, 06:29 PM	#35
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Ok lets get this straight. If I say my luger is a 9mm cal but it shoots 30 cal I could say that it is a variable cal gun depending on the day of the week or the availability of ammo. Now would this be a rectractible statement or am I just confused about the day of the week ?

07-07-2016, 10:03 PM	#39
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks George, I will try that right after my breakfast beer.