Early Marked German Imperial Bayonet~

cirelaw · 05-15-2016, 11:30 AM

I was just informed that it was made for Pioneer Troops and Woodworking, a rare model~

alanint · 05-15-2016, 10:34 PM

This is what is known as a "Butcher Blade" bayonet. If memory serves, there was much controversy over its use by German troops. You will see many of these out there with the saw teeth ground off, perhaps by post war treaty?

sheepherder · 05-15-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I was just informed that it was made for Pioneer Troops and Woodworking, a rare model~

Oddly enough, I know what Pioneer Troops were...But what were 'woodworking'???

DonVoigt · 05-15-2016, 11:38 PM

Wood-working = cutting brush and limbs for gun emplacements.

cirelaw · 05-15-2016, 11:48 PM

Tks! Fine German engineering! You can get cut just looking at it!!

DavidJayUden · 05-16-2016, 07:43 AM

There was the usual talk of being treated less than ideally should a soldier be captured with one of those in his possession. I don't think those saw-backed blades continued thru the entire first war, and certainly did not occur during the second.
dju

sheepherder · 05-16-2016, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Wood-working = cutting brush and limbs for gun emplacements.

Thank you, ERIC !!!

DonVoigt · 05-16-2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Thank you, ERIC !!!

cirelaw · 05-16-2016, 09:25 AM

I found this site! http://pawnstarsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Sawback_Bayonet

cirelaw · 05-16-2016, 09:40 AM

Does this mark tell us anything?

George Anderson · 05-16-2016, 09:58 AM

It's a model 84/98 nA S. The unit marking is to a Fortress Communication unit garrisoned in Koenigsberg.

cirelaw · 05-16-2016, 10:17 AM

To add a picture George directed me~

sheepherder · 05-16-2016, 11:54 AM

I think it's a neat bayonet! I have a US M-9 bayonet (I think current issue) with a 'sawback' blade, but the teeth are very fine and not as protruding. It also has the wire-cutter scabbard so maybe the M-9 'sawback' is for metal cutting rather than wood...

cirelaw · 05-16-2016, 12:00 PM

A great German Bayonet Site~http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artikla...8bayonets2.htm

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Early Marked German Imperial Bayonet~ I was just informed that it was made for Pioneer Troops and Woodworking, a rare model~ Attached Thumbnails

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Wood-working = cutting brush and limbs for gun emplacements. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I found this site! http://pawnstarsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Sawback_Bayonet Attached Thumbnails

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Does this mark tell us anything? Attached Thumbnails

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	To add a picture George directed me~ Attached Thumbnails

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	This is what is known as a "Butcher Blade" bayonet. If memory serves, there was much controversy over its use by German troops. You will see many of these out there with the saw teeth ground off, perhaps by post war treaty?

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Tks! Fine German engineering! You can get cut just looking at it!!

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	There was the usual talk of being treated less than ideally should a soldier be captured with one of those in his possession. I don't think those saw-backed blades continued thru the entire first war, and certainly did not occur during the second. dju

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	It's a model 84/98 nA S. The unit marking is to a Fortress Communication unit garrisoned in Koenigsberg.

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I think it's a neat bayonet! I have a US M-9 bayonet (I think current issue) with a 'sawback' blade, but the teeth are very fine and not as protruding. It also has the wire-cutter scabbard so maybe the M-9 'sawback' is for metal cutting rather than wood... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	A great German Bayonet Site~http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artikla...8bayonets2.htm Attached Thumbnails