belt and holster for model 1900 American Eagle Luger

don beasley · 10-13-2002, 07:40 PM

Recently i acquired a Model 1900 American Eagle luger. it has Ideal holster grips and a leather holster and belt. The monogram on the holster looks like some combination of BSH Co.
I've attached digital images of the monogram, holster and belt, and the Luger.

Any information on the holster would be appreciated. The serial no. of the Luger is 18903.
It was purchased by a Robert Musgrave, a Canadian mining engineer, for his trip in 1902 to China. [IMG]C:\My Documents\Image Expert Images\October 13,2002[/IMG]
not sure how this works, but ignore the images from 1 to 10; the relevent are from about 12 to 18

don beasley · 10-13-2002, 08:11 PM

I've read the instructions for posting images and they are beyond my capabilities. if someone will contact me, I'll send the images and perhaps they can be posted indirectly through email.

I suspect the holster is quite unusual, and the Luger is in 98% original condition

the alternative is to wait until I get someone with more technical abilities than i have.

thanks

don beasley

wterrell · 10-13-2002, 08:23 PM

Don, check your private posts in the 'my profile' link at the top right portion of this page.

Doubs · 10-13-2002, 08:24 PM

[quote]Originally posted by don beasley:
I've read the instructions for posting images and they are beyond my capabilities. don beasley <hr></blockquote>

Don, go to the side bar and click on "Upload Photos". Once in the window, click on "Browse" and find your picture in your files. Highlight the file name and click "Open" which will transfer the file to the upload window. Load the picture and then copy the location.

In your message, place two lines between your text and the place you wish to put the URL to the picture on. Enter the URL and the picture should appear there when you post the message.

I hope this helps some. It's not the easiest way I've seen to get pictures to a forum but it does work.

Orv Reichert · 10-14-2002, 12:43 AM

Is this the logo?..it was on a SAVAGE holster I bought recently.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Pocket.jpg

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/pocketholsterlogo.jpg

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/pocketCU.jpg

If so...it is HIBBARD SPENCER BARTLETT AND CO.
CHICAGO ILL.

Orv Reichert

don beasley · 10-14-2002, 02:08 AM

bingo! that's it.

I've sent scanned images to Wes, and he may post them. The holster and belt are in good condition, and there may be an interest in seeing the Ideal grips and the luger itself.

thanks

don beasley

wterrell · 10-14-2002, 07:31 AM

This holster is wonderful!

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol001.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol001.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol002.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol002.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol014.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol014.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol013.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol013.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol011.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol011.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol98.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol98.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/logo.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/logo.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Orv Reichert · 10-14-2002, 07:53 PM

The SAVAGE historian informed me that this firm,
HIBBARD, SPENCER, BARTLETT AND CO. of CHICAGO IL. was a major hardware/sporting good firm in the period before WW-1. They published a large catalog and supplied guns and accessories.

I am sure the Chicago Historical Association and/or Chamber of Commerce could supply more info to you.

Orv Reichert

wterrell · 10-14-2002, 09:08 PM

wterrell · 10-14-2002, 09:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />It was purchased by a Robert Musgrave, a Canadian mining engineer, for his trip in 1902 to China <hr /></blockquote>

(Portrait is contemporary)

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/Robert_Musgrave.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/Robert_Musgrave.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster5.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster5.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster44.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster44.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol008.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol008.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol007.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol007.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Ron Wood · 10-14-2002, 10:26 PM

Don - Thanks for sharing pics of your great holster. That is quite a find and a real enjoyment to see. It is so rare to actually observe a genuine period piece. The Luger is also an outstanding example!

Wes - Thanks for helping Don get the pictures posted. It would have been a shame to miss them. You have done a very gracious service.

wterrell · 10-14-2002, 10:55 PM

Long load time! WORTH THE WAIT! Go watch the tube for a while and come back and see something unique.

Ron Wood · 10-14-2002, 11:07 PM

I have a fiber-optic cable connection, and it is times like these that make it all worthwhile. I wouldn't want to wait to see pictures like these. What a magnificent 1900!!!

wterrell · 10-14-2002, 11:18 PM

Ron, I have a satelite and am thankful. This is a very nice pistol. I have been going over these pictures while they were loading to the server, and admiring the condition. It has not been fired much at all. The holster is not a military, and is in very nice shape. Don really has a nice rig.

Johnny Peppers · 10-14-2002, 11:44 PM

Don,
From the pictures is appears that the barrel is proofed, and if so, what are the proofs? Also, the frame appears to have the GERMANY stamp.
Very nice pistol.

don beasley · 10-15-2002, 12:57 AM

there are no proof marks anywhere that i can see
the barrel has the serial number on the bottom near the receiver, and Germany is printed on the front of the receiver under the serial number.
all the numbers match

John Sabato · 10-15-2002, 09:54 AM

What excellent Photographs Don! Thanks so much for sharing... They leave nothing to the imagination. Where did you ever find such a Luger? And since the Luger is equipped with Ideal grips... Could there possibly be an Ideal Stock to go with them?

don beasley · 10-15-2002, 03:40 PM

Until i discuss with the previous owner, I'm not able to reveal the provenance of the Luger and holster.

There are some bits and pieces to be forthcoming; there may be parts of the ideal holster/stock

wterrell · 10-15-2002, 07:24 PM

John S.

Please check your private posts.

don beasley · 10-15-2002, 11:52 PM

is this holster in Bender's book?

10-13-2002, 07:40 PM	#1
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	belt and holster for model 1900 American Eagle Luger Recently i acquired a Model 1900 American Eagle luger. it has Ideal holster grips and a leather holster and belt. The monogram on the holster looks like some combination of BSH Co. I've attached digital images of the monogram, holster and belt, and the Luger. Any information on the holster would be appreciated. The serial no. of the Luger is 18903. It was purchased by a Robert Musgrave, a Canadian mining engineer, for his trip in 1902 to China. [IMG]C:\My Documents\Image Expert Images\October 13,2002[/IMG] not sure how this works, but ignore the images from 1 to 10; the relevent are from about 12 to 18 __________________ Don Beasley

10-13-2002, 08:11 PM	#2
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've read the instructions for posting images and they are beyond my capabilities. if someone will contact me, I'll send the images and perhaps they can be posted indirectly through email. I suspect the holster is quite unusual, and the Luger is in 98% original condition the alternative is to wait until I get someone with more technical abilities than i have. thanks don beasley __________________ Don Beasley

10-13-2002, 08:23 PM	#3
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Don, check your private posts in the 'my profile' link at the top right portion of this page. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-13-2002, 08:24 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by don beasley: <strong>I've read the instructions for posting images and they are beyond my capabilities. don beasley </strong><hr></blockquote> Don, go to the side bar and click on "Upload Photos". Once in the window, click on "Browse" and find your picture in your files. Highlight the file name and click "Open" which will transfer the file to the upload window. Load the picture and then copy the location. In your message, place two lines between your text and the place you wish to put the URL to the picture on. Enter the URL and the picture should appear there when you post the message. I hope this helps some. It's not the easiest way I've seen to get pictures to a forum but it does work.

10-14-2002, 12:43 AM	#5
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is this the logo?..it was on a SAVAGE holster I bought recently. http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Pocket.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/pocketholsterlogo.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/pocketCU.jpg If so...it is HIBBARD SPENCER BARTLETT AND CO. CHICAGO ILL. Orv Reichert __________________ ORVEL L. "ORV" REICHERT

10-14-2002, 02:08 AM	#6
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	bingo! that's it. I've sent scanned images to Wes, and he may post them. The holster and belt are in good condition, and there may be an interest in seeing the Ideal grips and the luger itself. thanks don beasley __________________ Don Beasley

10-14-2002, 07:31 AM	#7
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This holster is wonderful! <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol001.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol001.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol002.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol002.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol014.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol014.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol013.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol013.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol011.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol011.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol98.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol98.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/logo.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/logo.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-14-2002, 07:53 PM	#8
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The SAVAGE historian informed me that this firm, HIBBARD, SPENCER, BARTLETT AND CO. of CHICAGO IL. was a major hardware/sporting good firm in the period before WW-1. They published a large catalog and supplied guns and accessories. I am sure the Chicago Historical Association and/or Chamber of Commerce could supply more info to you. Orv Reichert __________________ ORVEL L. "ORV" REICHERT

10-14-2002, 09:08 PM	#9
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	<a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol012.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol012.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-14-2002, 09:48 PM	#10
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It was purchased by a Robert Musgrave, a Canadian mining engineer, for his trip in 1902 to China </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> (Portrait is contemporary) <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/Robert_Musgrave.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/Robert_Musgrave.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster5.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster5.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster44.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/holster44.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol008.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol008.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol007.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugeralbums/albun01/hol007.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-14-2002, 10:26 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Don - Thanks for sharing pics of your great holster. That is quite a find and a real enjoyment to see. It is so rare to actually observe a genuine period piece. The Luger is also an outstanding example! Wes - Thanks for helping Don get the pictures posted. It would have been a shame to miss them. You have done a very gracious service. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-14-2002, 10:55 PM	#12
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Long load time! WORTH THE WAIT! Go watch the tube for a while and come back and see something unique. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-14-2002, 11:07 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I have a fiber-optic cable connection, and it is times like these that make it all worthwhile. I wouldn't want to wait to see pictures like these. What a magnificent 1900!!! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-14-2002, 11:18 PM	#14
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron, I have a satelite and am thankful. This is a very nice pistol. I have been going over these pictures while they were loading to the server, and admiring the condition. It has not been fired much at all. The holster is not a military, and is in very nice shape. Don really has a nice rig. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-14-2002, 11:44 PM	#15
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Don, From the pictures is appears that the barrel is proofed, and if so, what are the proofs? Also, the frame appears to have the GERMANY stamp. Very nice pistol.

10-15-2002, 12:57 AM	#16
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	there are no proof marks anywhere that i can see the barrel has the serial number on the bottom near the receiver, and Germany is printed on the front of the receiver under the serial number. all the numbers match __________________ Don Beasley

10-15-2002, 09:54 AM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	What excellent Photographs Don! Thanks so much for sharing... They leave nothing to the imagination. Where did you ever find such a Luger? And since the Luger is equipped with Ideal grips... Could there possibly be an Ideal Stock to go with them? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-15-2002, 03:40 PM	#18
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Until i discuss with the previous owner, I'm not able to reveal the provenance of the Luger and holster. There are some bits and pieces to be forthcoming; there may be parts of the ideal holster/stock __________________ Don Beasley

10-15-2002, 07:24 PM	#19
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John S. Please check your private posts. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-15-2002, 11:52 PM	#20
don beasley User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	is this holster in Bender's book? __________________ Don Beasley