Show us your "shooter" lugers!

DonVoigt · 01-30-2016, 08:44 PM

Many of use recommend that matching guns not be shot, some take this to heart and buy "shooters", or put them together, or save mongrels from the ignominy of being converted to parts!

Here are my shooters, each has a story of why and how it came to be.

To achieve "shooter" status for me, a pistol must be 99% reliable, some matching guns won't achieve shooter status! Many shooters require patience and effort to make them reliable.

These four have made it; I have a couple more that need tweaking to achieve reliability.

You can see that they comprise 4", 6", and 8" pistols.
The artillery is a commercial made barrel on a 1917 DWM upper on a Mauser frame.
The Navy is an original '06 frame and toggle train, with an
'06 original barrel in a Kreighoff receiver, some of you may have followed its resurrection in my "basket case" thread.
The 4" DWM commercial(upper left) is in 7.65mm , and exception in that it is mostly matching, and is an infallible shooter.
The 4" 9mm is a Mauser G date upper, mismatched Mauser S/42 toggle train, on a '37 Mauser lower-it is also totally reliable.

Now let's see yours!

4 Scale · 01-30-2016, 09:23 PM

Really nice range kit there Don. I like and envy the barrel length assortment.

Here is the shooter inventory. All are reliable and accurate.

Top: 1936 All matching Mauser except for unnumbered but proofed grips. Rough external finish, currently in the process of finalizing a sale. Mechanically this pistol is flawless but it has some external pitting and I've discovered I just don't like owning firearms with noticeable pitting, so someone is getting a fine shooter/low end collectible.

Middle: 1900 AE, probably has been refinished several times. The eagle over the chamber is nearly gone, probably due to buffing. All numbered parts match except hold open. It's been reblued over pitting, and the pitting is mostly on the underside of the trigger guard so it is not very visible.

Bottom: 1938 Mauser, mostly matching with a DWM toggle that matches itself and a Mauser proofed replacement barrel. Trigger does not match, side plate is aftermarket, left grip and firing pin are unnumbered. Professionally re-blued upper and side plate by Charles Danner.

P08Leder · 01-31-2016, 09:10 AM

1918 Erfurt, refinished, upper all matching, but doesn't match the lower. Replacement grips, non-original mag, paid $650.
Shoot great once I got her lubed and running.

mrerick · 01-31-2016, 09:51 AM

Here is my favorite "shooter". It's a 1937 Mauser made Luger, all matching, with a holster induced "skin condition"...

It's mechanically fine with a great bore and an accurate shooter...

DonVoigt · 01-31-2016, 10:53 AM

Alvin,
I asked for "pictures" of your shooter lugers- not analysis or advice!

Show us your shooter(s)!

Broomhandles are welcome!

My only potential shooter Broom is a Bolo, out to Redman's for reline at present!
Chamber was so pitted, would not extract a fired cartridge case.

Matching except bolt, lanyard ring and boss removed.

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Originally Posted by alvin

If you have many, pick up a few relatively lower ones and shoot it occasionally is not very guilty. It does not have to be a very low grade gun. And, it's still a collectible if it does not break. Of course, there is a chance it could break... on guns that I played, I found that's rare situation because they were in great shape to begin with. Did break small parts on a couple of them though.... but I did build up confidence on them -- their behavior in clean range condition is not lower than modern Glock. In dirty environment, God knows, I don't want to test that

DonVoigt · 01-31-2016, 10:55 AM

4scale,
Your AE reminds me that I "need" a 1900 shooter!

rolandtg · 01-31-2016, 01:30 PM

My incorrectly refinished RC shooter.
Matching BYF41 upper mated with different matching lower and a side plate from yet a third gun.
I replaced the grips since this photo was taken.
It shoots just fine!

Sonofeugene · 01-31-2016, 02:28 PM

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My father bought this 42 byf (and a free box of ammo) in 1948 from a Missouri gun dealer for 35 dollars. I still have the original telegram communications between the dealer and my father. I'm thinking he wanted a Luger when he was over in France during WWII but was unable to get one. He did get a 1934 model Beretta in .380 while in Italy just before the invasion of the south of France. I'm sure he had it with him as he stormed the beaches. And then, while in France, he picked up a WWI vintage Spanish Izarra (the rarer long barrel model) that was made for the French military. While in France, he made some clear sweetheart grips for the Izarra and I'm thinking that's what inspired the multi color grips he made for the Luger. I do have the original Luger grips, though.

The Luger is all numbers matching except for the mag which is period correct. I got the mag from Mike Krause in exchange for the one in my father's gun which was apparently for a much earlier Luger. The barrel is a little rough but grooves and lands are good and it's very accurate. As you can see, it's been polished a bit and reblued. A good shooter.

Edward Tinker · 01-31-2016, 10:14 PM

Alvin, I think they have medication to help with concentration.

13 postings on this thread and 4 of them are yours, to discuss, but do not show anything.

MY latest shooter (below) - my 1914 Erfurt Artillery, I can't seem to find any pictures right now

sheepherder · 02-01-2016, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Alvin,
I asked for "pictures" of your shooter lugers- not analysis or advice!

Wow!

If we all followed this demand, there would be no discussion at all on this site...

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Originally Posted by Sonofeugene

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My father bought this 42 byf (and a free box of ammo) in 1948 from a Missouri gun dealer for 35 dollars.

I bet Zorba would pay dearly to have those zebra grips...

DonVoigt · 02-01-2016, 10:31 PM

I thought he copied the T 14 Nambu, the Ruger .22 bolt is a near ringer!

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Bill Ruger duplicated the Luger grip angle on his Mark series .22 semi-autos. On his .22-45 series, they duplicated the M1911a1 grip angle.

I have the Mark-I and Mark-III pistols, and use them for introductory classes. They are very well made and hold up well over years of shooting. It's a good accurate pistol, but a pain to completely strip for cleaning (which I never do). Just a quick cleaning with a boresnake is generally enough. They eat just about any .22LR ammo and have a magazine safety.

The list price of the blued target version is $500, so you're looking at retail or close to it.

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

TheRomanhistorian · 02-01-2016, 11:31 PM

Most of my collection are such pistols (I do have one 'lower' end collectible all matching 1913 Luger) but I find a joy in collecting shooter Lugers.

Here are 3 of mine in order:
A chromed Erfurt 1918 (all matching numbers, internally and externally, alas) but I got it at $650 so not a bad price!

Interarms 6" 9mm Luger (a fun one to shoot with at the range).

A reblued 1917 Artillery Luger.

tharpo · 02-02-2016, 01:23 AM

My most reliable and accurate shooter is an all matching 41 byf. Has some dings and some left side holster rash. Came with the original black plastic grips. Odd thing is, the grip straps are 99% blue.

kurusu · 02-02-2016, 07:34 AM

My long time shooter has been this BYF 41. I recently got an S/42 1938 but haven't taken pictures yet.

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Curly1 · 02-03-2016, 01:34 PM

Curly1 · 02-03-2016, 01:37 PM

Reblued Police matching except wooden base mag.

Curly1 · 02-03-2016, 01:37 PM

DonVoigt · 02-03-2016, 03:12 PM

Curly,
thanks for the pictures, but I'm curious, why one picture per post? Instead of 3 in one?

kurusu · 02-03-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Curly,
thanks for the pictures, but I'm curious, why one picture per post? Instead of 3 in one?

Suspense?

spartacus38 · 02-03-2016, 10:31 PM

nice shooters.
Bob

01-30-2016, 08:44 PM	#1
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Show us your "shooter" lugers! Many of use recommend that matching guns not be shot, some take this to heart and buy "shooters", or put them together, or save mongrels from the ignominy of being converted to parts! Here are my shooters, each has a story of why and how it came to be. To achieve "shooter" status for me, a pistol must be 99% reliable, some matching guns won't achieve shooter status! Many shooters require patience and effort to make them reliable. These four have made it; I have a couple more that need tweaking to achieve reliability. You can see that they comprise 4", 6", and 8" pistols. The artillery is a commercial made barrel on a 1917 DWM upper on a Mauser frame. The Navy is an original '06 frame and toggle train, with an '06 original barrel in a Kreighoff receiver, some of you may have followed its resurrection in my "basket case" thread. The 4" DWM commercial(upper left) is in 7.65mm , and exception in that it is mostly matching, and is an infallible shooter. The 4" 9mm is a Mauser G date upper, mismatched Mauser S/42 toggle train, on a '37 Mauser lower-it is also totally reliable. Now let's see yours! Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-30-2016, 09:23 PM	#2
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 490 Times in 251 Posts	Really nice range kit there Don. I like and envy the barrel length assortment. Here is the shooter inventory. All are reliable and accurate. Top: 1936 All matching Mauser except for unnumbered but proofed grips. Rough external finish, currently in the process of finalizing a sale. Mechanically this pistol is flawless but it has some external pitting and I've discovered I just don't like owning firearms with noticeable pitting, so someone is getting a fine shooter/low end collectible. Middle: 1900 AE, probably has been refinished several times. The eagle over the chamber is nearly gone, probably due to buffing. All numbered parts match except hold open. It's been reblued over pitting, and the pitting is mostly on the underside of the trigger guard so it is not very visible. Bottom: 1938 Mauser, mostly matching with a DWM toggle that matches itself and a Mauser proofed replacement barrel. Trigger does not match, side plate is aftermarket, left grip and firing pin are unnumbered. Professionally re-blued upper and side plate by Charles Danner. Attached Thumbnails

01-31-2016, 09:10 AM	#3
P08Leder User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 77 Thanks: 8 Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts	1918 Erfurt, refinished, upper all matching, but doesn't match the lower. Replacement grips, non-original mag, paid $650. Shoot great once I got her lubed and running. Attached Thumbnails

01-31-2016, 09:51 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Here is my favorite "shooter". It's a 1937 Mauser made Luger, all matching, with a holster induced "skin condition"... It's mechanically fine with a great bore and an accurate shooter... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-31-2016, 10:55 AM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	4scale, Your AE reminds me that I "need" a 1900 shooter! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-31-2016, 01:30 PM	#7
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 479 Thanks: 389 Thanked 265 Times in 114 Posts	My incorrectly refinished RC shooter. Matching BYF41 upper mated with different matching lower and a side plate from yet a third gun. I replaced the grips since this photo was taken. It shoots just fine! Attached Thumbnails

01-31-2016, 02:28 PM	#8
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	My father bought this 42 byf (and a free box of ammo) in 1948 from a Missouri gun dealer for 35 dollars. I still have the original telegram communications between the dealer and my father. I'm thinking he wanted a Luger when he was over in France during WWII but was unable to get one. He did get a 1934 model Beretta in .380 while in Italy just before the invasion of the south of France. I'm sure he had it with him as he stormed the beaches. And then, while in France, he picked up a WWI vintage Spanish Izarra (the rarer long barrel model) that was made for the French military. While in France, he made some clear sweetheart grips for the Izarra and I'm thinking that's what inspired the multi color grips he made for the Luger. I do have the original Luger grips, though. The Luger is all numbers matching except for the mag which is period correct. I got the mag from Mike Krause in exchange for the one in my father's gun which was apparently for a much earlier Luger. The barrel is a little rough but grooves and lands are good and it's very accurate. As you can see, it's been polished a bit and reblued. A good shooter. Last edited by Sonofeugene; 02-01-2016 at 08:51 PM.

01-31-2016, 10:14 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Alvin, I think they have medication to help with concentration. 13 postings on this thread and 4 of them are yours, to discuss, but do not show anything. MY latest shooter (below) - my 1914 Erfurt Artillery, I can't seem to find any pictures right now Attached Thumbnails

02-01-2016, 11:31 PM	#12
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Most of my collection are such pistols (I do have one 'lower' end collectible all matching 1913 Luger) but I find a joy in collecting shooter Lugers. Here are 3 of mine in order: A chromed Erfurt 1918 (all matching numbers, internally and externally, alas) but I got it at $650 so not a bad price! Interarms 6" 9mm Luger (a fun one to shoot with at the range). A reblued 1917 Artillery Luger. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-02-2016, 01:23 AM	#13
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	My most reliable and accurate shooter is an all matching 41 byf. Has some dings and some left side holster rash. Came with the original black plastic grips. Odd thing is, the grip straps are 99% blue. Attached Thumbnails

02-02-2016, 07:34 AM	#14
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	My long time shooter has been this BYF 41. I recently got an S/42 1938 but haven't taken pictures yet.

02-03-2016, 01:34 PM	#15
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	__________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-03-2016, 01:37 PM	#16
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Reblued Police matching except wooden base mag. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-03-2016, 03:12 PM	#18
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Curly, thanks for the pictures, but I'm curious, why one picture per post? Instead of 3 in one? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-03-2016, 10:31 PM	#20
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	nice shooters. Bob