Show us your "shooter" lugers! - Page 3

K.Wilhelm · 05-10-2016, 06:12 PM

Found pic of .30 Commercial shooter left out of previous post, but not the Navy yet! Bill

DonVoigt · 05-01-2016, 08:57 PM

Here is my latest shooting creation:
A 1910 vintage slickback frame, waiting for a .30 6" barrel transplant- right now it is wearing my 1914 receiver/6" 9mm upper.

The frame at one time belonged to a police luger, it has the cut for the mag safety in the frame, the visible slot has been filled.

Just put it together yesterday, will maybe get a chance to shoot it Tuesday!

Update:
Well it rained Tuesday, so shooting postponed till Friday. Results are in and it shoots well!
Going to leave it as is for a while, as I picked up my second set of parts and decided the 6" .30 barrel belonged there instead!

See the next post for the .30 or 7,65mm 1920 commercial shooter.

DonVoigt · 05-07-2016, 11:04 PM

Decided these parts were just too nice looking to use for my carbine project. I can't explain why such a nice pistol lost it's barrel and grips and became "parts".

So I installed the original finish, Germany marked 6" .30 bbl on this 5 digit 1920 commercial frame and receiver. Frame and receiver in original rust blue and straw also, but came with this 42 code toggle train- but it matches the finish close enough.

Anyway a nice looking shooter and one that shoots well also. No problems even with Fiocchi ammo, which I attribute to the higher velocity from the 6" vs. a 4" or 2.5" barrel!

Anyway, I'm happy enough with the way it looks, handles, and shoots!

Blight · 05-09-2016, 02:16 AM

Not the greatest picture, but it'll do for now.

DonVoigt · 05-09-2016, 09:48 AM

I built this 4" 9mm shooter from a much mis-treated Bulgarian frame and a 1912 Erfurt upper a while back.
I'd forgotten I had not taken pictures of it, so I did yesterday.

The lower is re-blued and mismatched with Vopo grips that I added for shooting; the upper is an all matching 1912 Erfurt assembly. Bore is fair/good, but the combination works just fine.

One of the features is the lack of the lanyard loop at the back of the upper frame and its relocation to the base of the grip, can't be seen here because the original base lanyard loop was removed, but there are two holes in the frame for it.

The other Bulgarian features are the lack of the stock lug, and the markings in Cyrillic, in this example the Bulgarian word for fire was milled away before re-bluing. Original Bulgarian lugers have the Bulgarian crest of a rampant lion on the middle toggle and the DWM scroll moved to the top of the chamber.

Eugen · 05-09-2016, 11:02 AM

O.K., I'll jump in here with Luger collection of one.

This guy has to do multiple duties since I only have one Luger (but, I am in the midst of completing a deal on a second Luger). So for now this is my do everything Luger. I have yet to shoot it, but when I eventually do, it will technically be my shooter....well sort of I guess.

Pic shows the Mec-Gar mag that I just bought for it.

DonVoigt · 05-09-2016, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

O.K., I'll jump in here with Luger collection of one.

This guy has to do multiple duties since I only have one Luger (but, I am in the midst of completing a deal on a second Luger). So for now this is my do everything Luger. I have yet to shoot it, but when I eventually do, it will technically be my shooter....well sort of I guess.

Pic shows the Mec-Gar mag that I just bought for it.

What are you waiting for? To shoot it that is, ammo?

Eugen · 05-09-2016, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

What are you waiting for? To shoot it that is, ammo?

No ammo issue here. I've got plenty of 9mm ammo of all sorts. That darn day job and my fiancée keep demanding my time. At least that is my lame excuse and I am still with it.

cirelaw · 05-09-2016, 12:18 PM

Go Break Your Luger Cherry!!

Sergio Natali · 05-09-2016, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I built this 4" 9mm shooter from a much mis-treated Bulgarian frame and a 1912 Erfurt upper a while back.
I'd forgotten I had not taken pictures of it, so I did yesterday.

The lower is re-blued and mismatched with Vopo grips that I added for shooting; the upper is an all matching 1912 Erfurt assembly. Bore is fair/good, but the combination works just fine.

One of the features is the lack of the lanyard loop at the back of the upper frame and its relocation to the base of the grip, can't be seen here because the original base lanyard loop was removed, but there are two holes in the frame for it.

The other Bulgarian features are the lack of the stock lug, and the markings in Cyrillic, in this example the Bulgarian word for fire was milled away before re-bluing. Original Bulgarian lugers have the Bulgarian crest of a rampant lion on the middle toggle and the DWM scroll moved to the top of the chamber.

Don

Chapeau, for the work and for your beautiful pictures!

K.Wilhelm · 05-10-2016, 06:02 PM

I'm missing pictures of my .30 Commercial shooter and Navy shooter from my foursome (have to figure out where they are- the pictures, not the Lugers!). Anyway, they're all a lot of fun. The first is a mixed number byf41(now has VOPO grips for shooting); the second is a 1917 Artillery that is nearly all matching (all but holdopen). Bill

ithacaartist · 05-19-2016, 09:28 PM

Here's a look at the shooter I'll likely take to the next IDPA match here. We know it started life as an LP.08, but has since been Weimar property-stamped 1920, and had its barrel changed to the 100mm on it now. It came with a former military holster that was converted to police configuration. The barrel has matching numbers--but not matching font--and a barely visible eagle 655 stamp, under salt blued finish.

This is the gun for which I seek a military marked DWM takedown lever, to replace the Erfurt lever which, curiously, is numbered 50. I've removed the matching grips for shooting and spiffed up the straw on the small parts. I'm impressed at the half-dozen proof/acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver. Can anyone add anything to its history, given the pics? I realize I have no pic yet of the front of the frame/barrel markings, nor one to show that a rear sight seems to have been added to the rear toggle link, leaving a few file marks as evidence.

cirelaw · 05-19-2016, 09:42 PM

Great Pics Dave~Good For You! Enjoy!!!

mackeyms · 05-20-2016, 08:23 AM

Ithicaartist, I think it's great that you bring your luger to the IDPA shoots. Since bug gun went mainstream we changed your last fun stage that used to be for bug guns to the "century shooter stage" where any design more than 100 year old can be used. Fun way to show off some of the safe queens that might never see the light of day.

DonVoigt · 05-20-2016, 09:28 AM

David,
I'd stop looking for that #50 TD lever! The Erfurt is likely original to the rebuild of that piece, JMHO.
I'd vote for it being an un-numbered Erfurt lever that was numbered at the time of the first or second re-work/repair.

How about adding a picture of the bottom of the barrel, i.e. the markings/numbers there.?

ithacaartist · 05-30-2016, 04:44 PM

I think I'm all caught up with the pics for this one, unless someone wants to see some of the guts. There's yet another tiny Nazi eagle, just to the right of the "8,82" on the barrel.

Where might this one stand within the spectrum of collectibility and value? I realize it's about a million miles from original condition, but its life seems to have been fairly honest, albeit varied, up until at least the Third Reich.

It was among the pistols I had appraised for the purposes of my renter's insurance. I'll reveal the results the local dealer certified, as well as what I paid for it at RIAC about 5 years ago. The dealer refused any of my input, just looked everything up in the Blue Book.

cirelaw · 05-30-2016, 04:58 PM

Where Erfurt parts compatable with DWM?

DonVoigt · 05-30-2016, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Where Erfurt parts compatable with DWM?

Yes,
within the normal limits of parts interchangeability due to tolerances.

ithacaartist · 05-30-2016, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Where Erfurt parts compatable with DWM?

Eric, I think the short answer is yes. As case in point, the take-down lever on this one I've posted is Erfurt proofed (made at that factory) and it fits and functions as intended on a DWM gun. Many parts interchange with the 70's Mauser pistols, and I know from experience that an original ejector will work in my Stainless P.08. The Germans were/are able to hold tolerances with excellent results (= interchangeability), though it's possible anywhere time, money, and motivation are available. They're all offshoots of the original plans, and if you have a copy of John S's drawings, you'll see that nothing is unspecified!

DonVoigt · 05-30-2016, 07:01 PM

David,
You luger markings indicate re-work and re-barrel in the late '30s/early 40's by the HZaJ20,
the Ingoldstat depot, with a Mauser barrel. The pistol was re-proved , see the HZ firing proof on the right side next to the barrel.

We're still waiting for that rear sight picture.

As I said before, it likely got the Erfurt part(there were still Erfurt spares floating around Germany after WWII!) when it was repaired and re-barreled. So I would not change the lever even if I found one.

HZa rebuilt pistols are not common; it would fit nicely in MY collection.

I love those re-worked L P08 pistols.

One would have to be into odd and re-built guns to want it, JMHO; or a shooter.
So I don't want to give any value, as I'd buy it- well it is worth about $400; so send it to me asap.

05-10-2016, 06:12 PM	#1
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	.30 Commercial shooter Found pic of .30 Commercial shooter left out of previous post, but not the Navy yet! Bill Attached Thumbnails __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

05-01-2016, 08:57 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Here is my latest shooting creation: A 1910 vintage slickback frame, waiting for a .30 6" barrel transplant- right now it is wearing my 1914 receiver/6" 9mm upper. The frame at one time belonged to a police luger, it has the cut for the mag safety in the frame, the visible slot has been filled. Just put it together yesterday, will maybe get a chance to shoot it Tuesday! Update: Well it rained Tuesday, so shooting postponed till Friday. Results are in and it shoots well! Going to leave it as is for a while, as I picked up my second set of parts and decided the 6" .30 barrel belonged there instead! See the next post for the .30 or 7,65mm 1920 commercial shooter. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie Last edited by DonVoigt; 05-09-2016 at 09:49 AM.

05-07-2016, 11:04 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Decided these parts were just too nice looking to use for my carbine project. I can't explain why such a nice pistol lost it's barrel and grips and became "parts". So I installed the original finish, Germany marked 6" .30 bbl on this 5 digit 1920 commercial frame and receiver. Frame and receiver in original rust blue and straw also, but came with this 42 code toggle train- but it matches the finish close enough. Anyway a nice looking shooter and one that shoots well also. No problems even with Fiocchi ammo, which I attribute to the higher velocity from the 6" vs. a 4" or 2.5" barrel! Anyway, I'm happy enough with the way it looks, handles, and shoots! Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie Last edited by DonVoigt; 05-09-2016 at 09:49 AM.

05-09-2016, 02:16 AM	#4
Blight User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 17 Thanks: 5 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Not the greatest picture, but it'll do for now. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Blight; 05-09-2016 at 02:18 AM. Reason: Added pic

05-09-2016, 11:02 AM	#6
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 796 Thanks: 403 Thanked 639 Times in 338 Posts	O.K., I'll jump in here with Luger collection of one. This guy has to do multiple duties since I only have one Luger (but, I am in the midst of completing a deal on a second Luger). So for now this is my do everything Luger. I have yet to shoot it, but when I eventually do, it will technically be my shooter....well sort of I guess. Pic shows the Mec-Gar mag that I just bought for it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

05-09-2016, 09:48 AM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	I built this 4" 9mm shooter from a much mis-treated Bulgarian frame and a 1912 Erfurt upper a while back. I'd forgotten I had not taken pictures of it, so I did yesterday. The lower is re-blued and mismatched with Vopo grips that I added for shooting; the upper is an all matching 1912 Erfurt assembly. Bore is fair/good, but the combination works just fine. One of the features is the lack of the lanyard loop at the back of the upper frame and its relocation to the base of the grip, can't be seen here because the original base lanyard loop was removed, but there are two holes in the frame for it. The other Bulgarian features are the lack of the stock lug, and the markings in Cyrillic, in this example the Bulgarian word for fire was milled away before re-bluing. Original Bulgarian lugers have the Bulgarian crest of a rampant lion on the middle toggle and the DWM scroll moved to the top of the chamber. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-09-2016, 12:18 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Go Break Your Luger Cherry!!

05-10-2016, 06:02 PM	#11
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	My Luger shooters I'm missing pictures of my .30 Commercial shooter and Navy shooter from my foursome (have to figure out where they are- the pictures, not the Lugers!). Anyway, they're all a lot of fun. The first is a mixed number byf41(now has VOPO grips for shooting); the second is a 1917 Artillery that is nearly all matching (all but holdopen). Bill Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group Last edited by K.Wilhelm; 05-26-2016 at 09:22 AM. Reason: added info

05-19-2016, 09:28 PM	#12
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	1917/1920 dwm Here's a look at the shooter I'll likely take to the next IDPA match here. We know it started life as an LP.08, but has since been Weimar property-stamped 1920, and had its barrel changed to the 100mm on it now. It came with a former military holster that was converted to police configuration. The barrel has matching numbers--but not matching font--and a barely visible eagle 655 stamp, under salt blued finish. This is the gun for which I seek a military marked DWM takedown lever, to replace the Erfurt lever which, curiously, is numbered 50. I've removed the matching grips for shooting and spiffed up the straw on the small parts. I'm impressed at the half-dozen proof/acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver. Can anyone add anything to its history, given the pics? I realize I have no pic yet of the front of the frame/barrel markings, nor one to show that a rear sight seems to have been added to the rear toggle link, leaving a few file marks as evidence. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-19-2016, 09:42 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Great Pics Dave~Good For You! Enjoy!!!

05-20-2016, 08:23 AM	#14
mackeyms User Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 11 Thanks: 36 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Ithicaartist, I think it's great that you bring your luger to the IDPA shoots. Since bug gun went mainstream we changed your last fun stage that used to be for bug guns to the "century shooter stage" where any design more than 100 year old can be used. Fun way to show off some of the safe queens that might never see the light of day.

05-20-2016, 09:28 AM	#15
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	David, I'd stop looking for that #50 TD lever! The Erfurt is likely original to the rebuild of that piece, JMHO. I'd vote for it being an un-numbered Erfurt lever that was numbered at the time of the first or second re-work/repair. How about adding a picture of the bottom of the barrel, i.e. the markings/numbers there.? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-30-2016, 04:44 PM	#16
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	Bbl and Frame Pics I think I'm all caught up with the pics for this one, unless someone wants to see some of the guts. There's yet another tiny Nazi eagle, just to the right of the "8,82" on the barrel. Where might this one stand within the spectrum of collectibility and value? I realize it's about a million miles from original condition, but its life seems to have been fairly honest, albeit varied, up until at least the Third Reich. It was among the pistols I had appraised for the purposes of my renter's insurance. I'll reveal the results the local dealer certified, as well as what I paid for it at RIAC about 5 years ago. The dealer refused any of my input, just looked everything up in the Blue Book. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-30-2016, 04:58 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Where Erfurt parts compatable with DWM?

05-30-2016, 07:01 PM	#20
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	David, You luger markings indicate re-work and re-barrel in the late '30s/early 40's by the HZaJ20, the Ingoldstat depot, with a Mauser barrel. The pistol was re-proved , see the HZ firing proof on the right side next to the barrel. We're still waiting for that rear sight picture. As I said before, it likely got the Erfurt part(there were still Erfurt spares floating around Germany after WWII!) when it was repaired and re-barreled. So I would not change the lever even if I found one. HZa rebuilt pistols are not common; it would fit nicely in MY collection. I love those re-worked L P08 pistols. One would have to be into odd and re-built guns to want it, JMHO; or a shooter. So I don't want to give any value, as I'd buy it- well it is worth about $400; so send it to me asap. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie