representative examples to collect

Brien · 12-31-2015, 02:57 AM

Hello folks, quick question, I have a limited amount if funds to invest in
Luger collecting so I am trying to obtain good quality representative pieces.

I am looking for a dwm 1916 or so model for the first world war, a navy model and maybe an artillery.

I am kinda stumped as to what to search put for a good third reich exsmple. I know black widow and simson and krieghofs are way out of my price range, what is a good mid level piece? If I can only buy one, what should it be?

Thanks in advance to anyone who posts a reply with their recommendations.

alvin · 12-31-2015, 07:45 AM

Unlike Simson and Kriegoff, the volume of "Black Widow" is not small. You can find a decent one relatively easy. Price varies, condition varies, there are many samples to choose from.

kurusu · 12-31-2015, 08:32 AM

Any Mauser made P.08 with any of the following manufacturing codes S/42; 42 or BYF will be a good representative of a Third Reich Luger.

DavidJayUden · 12-31-2015, 09:49 AM

It seems like the "BW" BYF 41 and 42 guns start around $1500 and go up from there. Not much different than any of the meat and potatoes WW2 guns. I'd think a really nice one should be had for $2k. WW1 guns may be just a hair cheaper, but of course the Navy and Artillery models are still in the nose-bleed levels.
Watch Simpsons, Ltd, for prices and for general education purposes.
Good luck.
dju

Edward Tinker · 12-31-2015, 10:16 AM

And, consider condition - in the long run, the nicer examples will cost more initially but rise faster in value. However, if you plan on shooting, then find a shooter - its not worth it to shoot a valuable collectable, its really not - you break a numbered part and it drops value in half...

The point is - you can and probably should buy a nice as condition example you can get, but one with some issues, wrong part, refinished, or rougher condition is a thought also

As you can always get a nicer example - so, possibly look for 'placeholders' OR buy some books and figure out what is the best way to go

I always suggest books, but not all folks want to go that route, just buy a nice example, but not mint and you'll do okay (nicer the gun, the more likely it might be restored)

alvin · 12-31-2015, 11:14 AM

To collect great condition ones, you cannot just buy one..., you need to buy lots of them over time (important), keep the best ones, and sell the ones you don't need any more. Lots of effort, not easy.

But you only do that after you're sure that you want to do that. As you can see the huge amount of effort involved in this process. This is not gun collecting specific, I heard people in jade collecting are doing this too.

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[Edit] Probably too far away from the plan in your mind. At the beginning, buy one from C&R dealer should work. legacy-collectibles.com carries some Lugers.

12-31-2015, 02:57 AM	#1
Brien User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Choctaw ok Posts: 53 Thanks: 17 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts	representative examples to collect Hello folks, quick question, I have a limited amount if funds to invest in Luger collecting so I am trying to obtain good quality representative pieces. I am looking for a dwm 1916 or so model for the first world war, a navy model and maybe an artillery. I am kinda stumped as to what to search put for a good third reich exsmple. I know black widow and simson and krieghofs are way out of my price range, what is a good mid level piece? If I can only buy one, what should it be? Thanks in advance to anyone who posts a reply with their recommendations. Last edited by Edward Tinker; 12-31-2015 at 10:12 AM.

12-31-2015, 10:16 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	And, consider condition - in the long run, the nicer examples will cost more initially but rise faster in value. However, if you plan on shooting, then find a shooter - its not worth it to shoot a valuable collectable, its really not - you break a numbered part and it drops value in half... The point is - you can and probably should buy a nice as condition example you can get, but one with some issues, wrong part, refinished, or rougher condition is a thought also As you can always get a nicer example - so, possibly look for 'placeholders' OR buy some books and figure out what is the best way to go I always suggest books, but not all folks want to go that route, just buy a nice example, but not mint and you'll do okay (nicer the gun, the more likely it might be restored) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-31-2015, 07:45 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Unlike Simson and Kriegoff, the volume of "Black Widow" is not small. You can find a decent one relatively easy. Price varies, condition varies, there are many samples to choose from.

12-31-2015, 08:32 AM	#3
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Any Mauser made P.08 with any of the following manufacturing codes S/42; 42 or BYF will be a good representative of a Third Reich Luger.

12-31-2015, 09:49 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It seems like the "BW" BYF 41 and 42 guns start around $1500 and go up from there. Not much different than any of the meat and potatoes WW2 guns. I'd think a really nice one should be had for $2k. WW1 guns may be just a hair cheaper, but of course the Navy and Artillery models are still in the nose-bleed levels. Watch Simpsons, Ltd, for prices and for general education purposes. Good luck. dju

12-31-2015, 11:14 AM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	To collect great condition ones, you cannot just buy one..., you need to buy lots of them over time (important), keep the best ones, and sell the ones you don't need any more. Lots of effort, not easy. But you only do that after you're sure that you want to do that. As you can see the huge amount of effort involved in this process. This is not gun collecting specific, I heard people in jade collecting are doing this too. === [Edit] Probably too far away from the plan in your mind. At the beginning, buy one from C&R dealer should work. legacy-collectibles.com carries some Lugers.