P08 Cutaway View

DonVoigt · 12-26-2015, 01:21 PM

Must be someone's imagination of how the magazine would look, it is pretty obvious that the mag spring must have some compression left at 7 rounds, if the mag is to hold 8.

One would call it "poetic" license if it were a poem; but I think it is a reverse engineered drawing and not quite correct. JMHO.

But then it could be a 7 round magazine, and the round in the chamber got there some other way than from the magazine as drawn.

sheepherder · 12-26-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

it is pretty obvious that the mag spring must have some compression left at 7 rounds, if the mag is to hold 8.

Do original Luger magazines really hold 8 rounds???

My 1900AE will only hold 7 rounds. It will depress maybe another 1/8" before coilbind, but not enough for an 8th round...

My Mec-Gar mags will hold 8 rds...That 1900AE mag is the only original Luger mag I have...

If you experts agree that original Luger magazines hold 8 rounds, I will happily pull this thread...

Can't have erroneous data on the forum...

Sieger · 12-26-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Do original Luger magazines really hold 8 rounds???

My 1900AE will only hold 7 rounds. It will depress maybe another 1/8" before coilbind, but not enough for an 8th round...

My Mec-Gar mags will hold 8 rds...That 1900AE mag is the only original Luger mag I have...

If you experts agree that original Luger magazines hold 8 rounds, I will happily pull this thread...

Can't have erroneous data on the forum...

Hi,

Per the original German operating manuals and sales ads, all factory original German manufacture magazines hold 8 rounds, either 7.65 or 9mm. The hogwash that original magazines only held 7 rounds goes around now and then, though.

If we stay with the original German documents, we will get the truth.

Sieger

sheepherder · 12-26-2015, 02:55 PM

This is not a problem, comrades...We will just increase the magazine capacity...

Never let it be said that we in the People's Republic are less than obliging...

sheepherder · 12-26-2015, 06:29 PM

...Cutaway 'Pocket' P08...

(Hmmmm...I'm almost tempted to make one of these...)

Edward Tinker · 12-26-2015, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

Per the original German operating manuals and sales ads, all factory original German manufacture magazines hold 8 rounds, either 7.65 or 9mm. The hogwash that original magazines only held 7 rounds goes around now and then, though.

If we stay with the original German documents, we will get the truth.

Sieger

you guys must be better at forcing than me

at a show, if someone asks, I tell them, it is supposed to be 8 rounds, but I can only get 7 in - guess that hogwash comes from me...

sheepherder · 12-27-2015, 12:29 AM

It's a long book, but strangely organized...Instead of alphabetical, it's in caliber order...

here's a couple more...I suppose these magazines are pessimistic too...

sheepherder · 12-27-2015, 12:18 PM

A couple more...

Even though I own a Tokarev clone, I was not aware that there was a spring inside the hammer...

DonVoigt · 12-27-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

you guys must be better at forcing than me

at a show, if someone asks, I tell them, it is supposed to be 8 rounds, but I can only get 7 in - guess that hogwash comes from me...

Some hold 8 easily, some don't.
I suspect the springs may have been changed in the ones that do not have room for 8 rounds.

For me it is usually impossible to insert a mag with 8 rounds in a luger with the bolt closed. No room for the cartridge column to compress that extra "little bit" that is needed to latch in.

Aftermarket mags - some 7 some 8.

sheepherder · 12-27-2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I suspect the springs may have been changed in the ones that do not have room for 8 rounds.

My 1900AE came with an original wooden bottom, but it was quite damaged and had chunks missing. I asked a member of the forum to upgrade it for me with a new bottom. A new spring may have been added; I don't recall.

I have a couple replacement wood bottoms from various sources; they may or may not be to "Luger specs". The one in my AE mag may be thicker in the spring pocket than an original; the spring may have more coils, whatever. Eight won't go in.

I have several sets of Wolff springs, but I don't have an original to compare them to, as to wire diameter, number of coils, etc. But I have noticed that Wolff spring wire diameter is not the same as German (or Japanese) wire diameter [Metric?].

There also seems to be no standard for measuring spring weight. Some mfgs express it as the weight required to compress the spring one inch; other mfgs show it as weight required to compress to coilbind. I don't trust any of Wolff's measurements. But they're new wire which is a big improvement over 70+ year old wire (or 110+ year old wire).

Zorba · 12-27-2015, 08:37 PM

FWIW, I have several mags from various sources - over half of them hold only 7 rds - I know all my Tri-Kays are 7 rounders, a couple of others may be also.

OTOH, a brand new Mec-Gar and a 19-teens Erfurt mag both hold 8.

Thanx for posting the cutaways - esp. the one showing the KING of ALL handguns, the Nambu!

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Must be someone's imagination of how the magazine would look, it is pretty obvious that the mag spring must have some compression left at 7 rounds, if the mag is to hold 8. One would call it "poetic" license if it were a poem; but I think it is a reverse engineered drawing and not quite correct. JMHO. But then it could be a 7 round magazine, and the round in the chamber got there some other way than from the magazine as drawn. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	FWIW, I have several mags from various sources - over half of them hold only 7 rds - I know all my Tri-Kays are 7 rounders, a couple of others may be also. OTOH, a brand new Mec-Gar and a 19-teens Erfurt mag both hold 8. Thanx for posting the cutaways - esp. the one showing the KING of ALL handguns, the Nambu!