Another M1930

alvin · 06-08-2015, 06:05 PM

I already becoming a M1930 collector... accumulating an array of these in collection. Well, this variation was very well made -- I am very fancy on Mauser's marketing in M1930 manual "we're using the best steel in Europe making these guns" (not exact words)... so, attractive to me.

Just got another one. On picture, it's probably partially boosted by someone, but cannot tell for sure until holding it in hand. The stock looks healthy. Will know soon.

Curss · 06-08-2015, 06:39 PM

Wow, she's PURTY! 9mm or 7.63?

alvin · 06-08-2015, 06:53 PM

7.63mm.

I don't have a 8.15mm yet (rare). If it's 8.15mm, I win lottery

A few were sold in auction in the past, but out of my reach. Just need to wait someone selling their 8.15mm as a 7.63mm. Not easy to find such a seller, but who knows...

But 7.63mm is OK too. I am fancy on 7.63mm caliber. It has very flat trajectory and excellent penetration.

Curss · 06-08-2015, 07:24 PM

8.15mm?! Never heard of it, did it perform better then the 7.63?

alvin · 06-08-2015, 07:54 PM

I heard of it, but I have never seen the cartridge. In DWM designation, there was an entry "DWM 580", which was a 8.15mm pistol cartridge.

Later, in post WWII era, some collectors found their M1930 caliber was slightly larger than regular 7.63mm. Via careful measurement, it's identified being 8.15mm. So, it's suspected there was small amount of M1930 being made by Mauser in this caliber for trial purpose.

Some big name collectors have that variation. Very rare item. The exterior appearance is just like regular M1930.

Sergio Natali · 06-09-2015, 07:05 AM

Alvin
I own a M30 too.
I think you're going to get really a fine one, congratulations!

Sergio

sheepherder · 06-09-2015, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

7.63mm.

I don't have a 8.15mm yet (rare). If it's 8.15mm, I win lottery

But do you have the Mauser 9mm "Export" variation yet???

When you get the pistol, I can load you up some cartridges [9mm Win Mag brass].

alvin · 06-09-2015, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

But do you have the Mauser 9mm "Export" variation yet???

When you get the pistol, I can load you up some cartridges [9mm Win Mag brass].

9mm Export caliber C96 is scarce. I sold one to another collector two years ago. Talked to him over the phone. He also collects guns including Mauser. He's very happy to find one.

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12118671/

saab-bob · 06-09-2015, 03:50 PM

Alvin
Is this a picture of some 9mm Mauser Export ammo?
Gotta be rare!

Bob

alvin · 06-09-2015, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvin
I own a M30 too.
I think you're going to get really a fine one, congratulations!

Sergio

Thanks. I definitely hope so. Crossing my fingers now hoping the other side is also good. Sometimes, everything is good except there is a deep scratch on the magazine floor really annoying... up to this fine condition, all those would count.

Will know when it arrives.

Curss · 06-09-2015, 08:30 PM

Maybe you should get one with THIS type of safety!

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/expe...james-d-julia/

alvin · 06-09-2015, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curss

Maybe you should get one with THIS type of safety!

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/expe...james-d-julia/

I handled that gun in hand. Not only it's reblued, it's a parts gun. Still rare. I could not afford. If it's all original, I still could not afford,,,, I can buy 10 five-thousand-dollar guns over some years, but I cannot afford buying one single fifty-thousand-dollar gun. I mean, gun like this would create financial stress for my situation, too stressful to enjoy, then better let it go.

Of course, if I could buy one like this for $5k, I would happily do it. But I cannot find such a seller.

Sergio Natali · 06-10-2015, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curss

Maybe you should get one with THIS type of safety!

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/expe...james-d-julia/

Christopher

Thanks for sharing that video, really a beautiful gun, unpractical, but absolutely beautiful.

Sergio

alvin · 06-10-2015, 04:32 AM

Sturgess had a few C96s for sale in that session. The gem was a 6-shot conehammer in March. I bet quite a few people hand checked that gun, and love it. So it went high. His collection is not totally gone yet, there will be more coming in October.

Another great buy from Sturgess was a 3-digit s/n 20-shot conehammer last year (former Visser collection). Price is also very good.

He had many nice & rare C96 pistols, but best of best, so far, are those two. The 3rd best one was a Turkish conehammer. Best condition, so it went high.

Mauser 712 · 06-10-2015, 06:25 PM

Alvin,

The Mauser factory never made the C96 pistol in caliber 8,15 mm - its a myth and those already reported are fake. Furthermore, nobody has ever seen an original 8,15 mm, so do not get all excited about this caliber and risk loosing plenty of money if someone offers you such a pistol.

Be ware,
Albert

alvin · 06-10-2015, 06:54 PM

Albert -- I feel there was a possibility of 8.15mm though. No factory record, I am sure. Just like "714", it never appears on sales record, probably just recorded as a "7,63 R" or "7,63". Never mass produced, the volume was too small. Same could be true for 8.15mm pistols.

Back some years ago, a collector had a theory on 8.15mm could be an effort in 1920s.. He suspected it's an effort to win Weimar government contract. This theory has a hole -- it's highly unlikely Mauser still trying to win German contract in post WWI era with a 30-year-old design. They would not waste time on that. But if Mauser wanted to keep its leading role in international pistol sale, that would be very understandable. I would feel it's a trial under pressure, an effort to make German made C96 having an edge above Spanish competitors on the market. Most known examples are M1930 style, 8.15mm would make some historical sense if putting in this context.

Both M1930 and Schellfeuer were products under pressure. It's very unusual to see a type of pistol experiencing major variation changes after 30 years in production. C96 was such an exception. Many things had been tried, could 8.15mm be one of those trials? Why not...

conehammer · 06-12-2015, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

7.63mm.

I don't have a 8.15mm yet (rare). If it's 8.15mm, I win lottery

A few were sold in auction in the past, but out of my reach. Just need to wait someone selling their 8.15mm as a 7.63mm. Not easy to find such a seller, but who knows...

But 7.63mm is OK too. I am fancy on 7.63mm caliber. It has very flat trajectory and excellent penetration.

I have 1 model 1930 that is confirmed as a 8,15mm, very late serial. I also have an mismatched pistol ( upper /lower don't match) with the upper being a Mauser Banner over chamber that is also confirmed as a 8,15mm. The chamber casts were identical. The bores are both perfect and as far as I can determine completely uniform yet a .30 cal bullet( just the bullet) will slide down the bore...

Jerry

sheepherder · 06-12-2015, 12:01 PM

James Julia has an ex-Visser/ex-Sturgess 8.15mm M1930 -

RARE MAUSER C96 LATE M1930 COMMERCIAL, CALIBER 8.15MM

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/1282-369/

Price/bid/whatever today [06/12/2015] is $4,720.00...

Interestingly, they say the bore dia actually measures 8.3mm...

Interesting stamping on backstrap also...

alvin · 06-12-2015, 05:17 PM

Yeah. #918280 from Sturgess collection, 8.15mm M1930, is also a very late one. Regular C96 bore diameter was measured from land to land. I assume 8.15mm was also measured this way. Rifling depth is about 0.1mm, I guess their 8.3mm was measured from groove to groove.

Paid seller credit card, no extra charge on card. But they unexpectedly collect sales tax. Just waiting them shipping out now.

saab-bob · 06-14-2015, 03:12 PM

Alvin
Just noticed this C96 cone hammer in Gun broker.
Have never seen a C96 with the Luger American Eagle stamped on the side.
Is this legitimate?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=489119016
Bob

06-08-2015, 06:05 PM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Another M1930 I already becoming a M1930 collector... accumulating an array of these in collection. Well, this variation was very well made -- I am very fancy on Mauser's marketing in M1930 manual "we're using the best steel in Europe making these guns" (not exact words)... so, attractive to me. Just got another one. On picture, it's probably partially boosted by someone, but cannot tell for sure until holding it in hand. The stock looks healthy. Will know soon. Attached Thumbnails

06-08-2015, 06:39 PM	#2
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 307 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Wow, she's PURTY! 9mm or 7.63? __________________ -Chris

06-08-2015, 07:24 PM	#4
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 307 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	8.15mm?! Never heard of it, did it perform better then the 7.63? __________________ -Chris

06-09-2015, 07:05 AM	#6
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin I own a M30 too. I think you're going to get really a fine one, congratulations! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

06-09-2015, 08:30 PM	#11
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 307 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Maybe you should get one with THIS type of safety! http://www.forgottenweapons.com/expe...james-d-julia/ __________________ -Chris

06-08-2015, 06:53 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	7.63mm. I don't have a 8.15mm yet (rare). If it's 8.15mm, I win lottery A few were sold in auction in the past, but out of my reach. Just need to wait someone selling their 8.15mm as a 7.63mm. Not easy to find such a seller, but who knows... But 7.63mm is OK too. I am fancy on 7.63mm caliber. It has very flat trajectory and excellent penetration.

06-08-2015, 07:54 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I heard of it, but I have never seen the cartridge. In DWM designation, there was an entry "DWM 580", which was a 8.15mm pistol cartridge. Later, in post WWII era, some collectors found their M1930 caliber was slightly larger than regular 7.63mm. Via careful measurement, it's identified being 8.15mm. So, it's suspected there was small amount of M1930 being made by Mauser in this caliber for trial purpose. Some big name collectors have that variation. Very rare item. The exterior appearance is just like regular M1930.

06-09-2015, 03:50 PM	#9
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Alvin Is this a picture of some 9mm Mauser Export ammo? Gotta be rare! Bob Attached Images __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

06-10-2015, 04:32 AM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Sturgess had a few C96s for sale in that session. The gem was a 6-shot conehammer in March. I bet quite a few people hand checked that gun, and love it. So it went high. His collection is not totally gone yet, there will be more coming in October. Another great buy from Sturgess was a 3-digit s/n 20-shot conehammer last year (former Visser collection). Price is also very good. He had many nice & rare C96 pistols, but best of best, so far, are those two. The 3rd best one was a Turkish conehammer. Best condition, so it went high.

06-10-2015, 06:25 PM	#15
Mauser 712 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 42 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Alvin, The Mauser factory never made the C96 pistol in caliber 8,15 mm - its a myth and those already reported are fake. Furthermore, nobody has ever seen an original 8,15 mm, so do not get all excited about this caliber and risk loosing plenty of money if someone offers you such a pistol. Be ware, Albert

06-10-2015, 06:54 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Albert -- I feel there was a possibility of 8.15mm though. No factory record, I am sure. Just like "714", it never appears on sales record, probably just recorded as a "7,63 R" or "7,63". Never mass produced, the volume was too small. Same could be true for 8.15mm pistols. Back some years ago, a collector had a theory on 8.15mm could be an effort in 1920s.. He suspected it's an effort to win Weimar government contract. This theory has a hole -- it's highly unlikely Mauser still trying to win German contract in post WWI era with a 30-year-old design. They would not waste time on that. But if Mauser wanted to keep its leading role in international pistol sale, that would be very understandable. I would feel it's a trial under pressure, an effort to make German made C96 having an edge above Spanish competitors on the market. Most known examples are M1930 style, 8.15mm would make some historical sense if putting in this context. Both M1930 and Schellfeuer were products under pressure. It's very unusual to see a type of pistol experiencing major variation changes after 30 years in production. C96 was such an exception. Many things had been tried, could 8.15mm be one of those trials? Why not...

06-12-2015, 12:01 PM	#18
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	James Julia has an ex-Visser/ex-Sturgess 8.15mm M1930 - RARE MAUSER C96 LATE M1930 COMMERCIAL, CALIBER 8.15MM http://jamesdjulia.com/item/1282-369/ Price/bid/whatever today [06/12/2015] is $4,720.00... Interestingly, they say the bore dia actually measures 8.3mm... Interesting stamping on backstrap also... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 06-12-2015 at 02:44 PM.

06-12-2015, 05:17 PM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yeah. #918280 from Sturgess collection, 8.15mm M1930, is also a very late one. Regular C96 bore diameter was measured from land to land. I assume 8.15mm was also measured this way. Rifling depth is about 0.1mm, I guess their 8.3mm was measured from groove to groove. Paid seller credit card, no extra charge on card. But they unexpectedly collect sales tax. Just waiting them shipping out now.

06-14-2015, 03:12 PM	#20
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Alvin Just noticed this C96 cone hammer in Gun broker. Have never seen a C96 with the Luger American Eagle stamped on the side. Is this legitimate? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=489119016 Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"