I Need Help With Another Heavy Rifle~

danielsand · 05-26-2015, 02:12 PM

It looks like Russian Mosin-Nagant M44. Caliber 7.62X54 (also called 7.62R - R meaning Russian). Ammo is abundant in the States. Judging by the pics (not clear markings), it is Russian, which had much nicer finish than the same weapon produced by Chinese (Type 53), which was ROUGH.

Very handy short rifle (carbine), shooting VERY powerful round. Hope this helps. Search the web for Mosin-Nagant, and you will get plethora of pictures, and information.

If interested in these milsurp weapons, the best thing is to join one of the MANY milsurp forums on the web. BTW,.....when you posted the pic of your gun cabinet, I recognized this one right away, and Thommy of course (not to mention Yugo M48)!

BTW: I don't know when you graduated from law school (I graduated in 1978), but it seems you paid too much. Back in the 80s you could buy one of these for less than 100. Last year I saw a crate full of full size M91s in Las Vegas gun shop, for 140 each (and they were MINT).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant

danielsand · 05-26-2015, 03:06 PM

I just blew up your pic (as much as my computer allows), and it does look like Chicom Type 53! If it is, it's probably nicest looking Type 53 I've seen. Usually they are very rough, and the stocks look like they were covered in THICK shellac (chipped and peeling in MANY places). If this one IS Chicom, it most likely has the stock that's been refinished.

Closeup of the receiver markings would help of course.

sheepherder · 05-26-2015, 03:42 PM

Didn't the Finns make a copy of the M44 carbine? (Or refurbish the captured Russian carbines). The triangle on the barrel reminds me of a Finn marking...

Edit: The Finns made their rifles/carbine based on the Russian 1891 Mosin Nagant 7.62 design. SAOTW says thet were higher quality than the Russian weapons. Which probably accounts for the relatively high cost of $200 back when Eric was in law school...

danielsand · 05-26-2015, 04:22 PM

Yes they were made in Finland too (in the US also!). I still can't see the markings clearly, and I am in no way "an expert" on Mosin. The price is irrelevant (cost of a decent dinner for two), it's a NICE carbine, with some serious energy delivered to the target, and very handy for having behind the seat of one's pickup (at least in these mountains), "just in case".

I like Mosin (regardless of the manufacture). I'm still kicking myself for not buying one out of the crate in Vegas last year. And they all had their receivers drilled and tapped for the scope mounts! No scopes present, but that's easy enough. But where do you stop? IF I would to buy every weapon I like (there are VERY few I don't like!!), I'd need a warehouse! I have two gun safes, and they are bursting being overloaded as it is.

BTW,......seems like Eric is pretty confident in his home security system. I would love to have my collection visible in an antique gun cabinet, but when I leave the house, all the stuff is locked into the best safes money can buy (despite a good security system, and three VERY protective BIG dogs, two of which you can see in my avatar).

05-26-2015, 02:12 PM	#1
danielsand User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 137 Thanks: 52 Thanked 100 Times in 43 Posts	It looks like Russian Mosin-Nagant M44. Caliber 7.62X54 (also called 7.62R - R meaning Russian). Ammo is abundant in the States. Judging by the pics (not clear markings), it is Russian, which had much nicer finish than the same weapon produced by Chinese (Type 53), which was ROUGH. Very handy short rifle (carbine), shooting VERY powerful round. Hope this helps. Search the web for Mosin-Nagant, and you will get plethora of pictures, and information. If interested in these milsurp weapons, the best thing is to join one of the MANY milsurp forums on the web. BTW,.....when you posted the pic of your gun cabinet, I recognized this one right away, and Thommy of course (not to mention Yugo M48)! BTW: I don't know when you graduated from law school (I graduated in 1978), but it seems you paid too much. Back in the 80s you could buy one of these for less than 100. Last year I saw a crate full of full size M91s in Las Vegas gun shop, for 140 each (and they were MINT). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant

05-26-2015, 03:06 PM	#2
danielsand User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 137 Thanks: 52 Thanked 100 Times in 43 Posts	I just blew up your pic (as much as my computer allows), and it does look like Chicom Type 53! If it is, it's probably nicest looking Type 53 I've seen. Usually they are very rough, and the stocks look like they were covered in THICK shellac (chipped and peeling in MANY places). If this one IS Chicom, it most likely has the stock that's been refinished. Closeup of the receiver markings would help of course.

05-26-2015, 04:22 PM	#4
danielsand User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 137 Thanks: 52 Thanked 100 Times in 43 Posts	Yes they were made in Finland too (in the US also!). I still can't see the markings clearly, and I am in no way "an expert" on Mosin. The price is irrelevant (cost of a decent dinner for two), it's a NICE carbine, with some serious energy delivered to the target, and very handy for having behind the seat of one's pickup (at least in these mountains), "just in case". I like Mosin (regardless of the manufacture). I'm still kicking myself for not buying one out of the crate in Vegas last year. And they all had their receivers drilled and tapped for the scope mounts! No scopes present, but that's easy enough. But where do you stop? IF I would to buy every weapon I like (there are VERY few I don't like!!), I'd need a warehouse! I have two gun safes, and they are bursting being overloaded as it is. BTW,......seems like Eric is pretty confident in his home security system. I would love to have my collection visible in an antique gun cabinet, but when I leave the house, all the stuff is locked into the best safes money can buy (despite a good security system, and three VERY protective BIG dogs, two of which you can see in my avatar).