'Pinocchio' P38/P1 ??? - Page 2

mrerick · 05-10-2015, 09:51 AM

Rich, Looks like there was a factory seven inch!

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/c...on.htmlhttp://

http://www.gwm-shop.ch/Sammlerwaffe-...mm-Parahttp://

Sergio Natali · 05-10-2015, 12:35 PM

I would go with the 6" 9mm

Sergio

sheepherder · 05-10-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Rich, Looks like there was a factory seven inch!

You're right! Well, that's a relief! No sense my making one if you can buy one for CHF 20'000.00!!!

http://www.gwm-shop.ch/epages/643449...ommisison-EP-1

1 of 19 made!!! Enough for everyone here who wanted one!!!

I love it when I don't have to do any work!!!

aldo35 · 05-10-2015, 03:42 PM

I would go with the 6" in 30 cal.

sheepherder · 05-10-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aldo35

I would go with the 6" in 30 cal.

...And there was a 6" on that page also! Only CHF 17'800.00!!!

http://www.gwm-shop.ch/epages/643449...ommisison-EP-2

1 of 30 made! Enough for all you guys who wanted a 6" barrel!!!

sheepherder · 05-10-2015, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aldo35

I would go with the 6" in 30 cal.

See post # 19.

Karl · 05-10-2015, 07:50 PM

Everyone is overlooking the obvious barrel length.

sheepherder · 05-10-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

Everyone is overlooking the obvious barrel length.

IIRC, that one is a 4" barrel (the 'carry' gun had a M16 flash hider screwed on). The extension was part of the briefcase 'kit'.

I made a PhotoShop mockup of a 4" 'shorty', but there are difficulties with retaining the 'original' barrel base/band...

TheRomanhistorian · 05-12-2015, 10:10 AM

Rich, this should be a fun project no matter what. I voted for 8"!

kurusu · 05-12-2015, 10:19 AM

I didn't vote cause there's no "leave the poor thing alone" option

I still prefer the original version. The P38 is still our official sidearm since it replaced the Luger in 1961.

sheepherder · 05-12-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

I didn't vote cause there's no "leave the poor thing alone" option.

Mario, I have two Walthers: The P38 and the P1. I don't plan on altering either one. But surplus barrels were plentiful (at one time) and I like the 7.65mm Parabellum cartridge. When I read that the P38/P1 had been offered in 7.65 Parabellum at some time in the past, I looked for that caliber barrel. I couldn't find one.

But when Mark C informed me that the P1 used a liner and that the liner had a tendency to 'drift', I bought one from him. I drilled out the OEM straight liner [painfully, as the steel was harder than my HSS drills] and replaced it with a stepped liner. In 7.65 Parabellum.

I've done ten so far, with two failures. One breech hood cracked, and one liner bent when I was pressing it in (too much interference fit!).

So I salvaged the breech portion of the bent barrel/liner, and will fabricate a longer barrel for it.

Or maybe shorter???

Now that I see that there are plenty of six and seven inch barrels for sale, I may just make a four inch 'shortie'...

kurusu · 05-12-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Mario, I have two Walthers: The P38 and the P1. I don't plan on altering either one. But surplus barrels were plentiful (at one time) and I like the 7.65mm Parabellum cartridge. When I read that the P38/P1 had been offered in 7.65 Parabellum at some time in the past, I looked for that caliber barrel. I couldn't find one.

That was just my personal opinion and it don't count for this matter. You should do whatever pleases you.

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

So I salvaged the breech portion of the bent barrel/liner, and will fabricate a longer barrel for it.

Or maybe shorter???

Now that I see that there are plenty of six and seven inch barrels for sale, I may just make a four inch 'shortie'...

How about a P38K rendition.

K.Wilhelm · 05-12-2015, 11:48 AM

One additional vote for the "stubbie"! Bill

John Sabato · 05-12-2015, 03:21 PM

This one is also photoshopped from the other photo that was photoshopped, but I actually made this gun once,

... out of a mismatched gun I picked up at a gun show. It was so reliable that I carried it for several years... I also bobbed the hammer, and reduced the size of the manual safety to make it flatter so it was more easily concealed... I ended up trading it, and a reblued P.38 for a brand new Colt Gold Cup .45 while I was still competing in big bore matches.

ithacaartist · 05-12-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

... I actually made this gun once...

What a little cutie!

John Sabato · 05-12-2015, 03:54 PM

More like this:

sheepherder · 05-12-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

I actually made this gun once,

By my measurement, that would have been a three inch barrel...

There was a time when I was into making shorties...I was welding back then, as well as turning and milling...I actually cut & welded a Colt Gold Cup into a 'Commander' Gold Cup...(This was before Colt offered one)...Now I'm into long-barrels...

However, enough of me...

John - Did you bore out the P38 front sight band and turn the barrel to fit and then silver-solder it???

If I were to do a four inch barrel, the front sight band would be threaded onto the barrel stub...Leaving all sorts of possibilities...

John Sabato · 05-13-2015, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

By my measurement, that would have been a three inch barrel...

John - Did you bore out the P38 front sight band and turn the barrel to fit and then silver-solder it???

Yes (and No)... Two different barrel attempts. The first was as you described.

It was okay, but then I came across a replacement high front sight ramp for a rifle which had a curved underside that exactly fit the P.38 barrel closely enough that silver solder would work fine.

I liked the profile, so I cut a piece of it that was high enough to fabricate a front sight, and the same length of the barrel. Then I filed it by hand to create the front sight blade with a nice square profile, and then squared up the U-notch in the standard rear sight to match.

Of course sights on a snubbie is an oxymoron situation since rarely would you be required to use sights... but I wanted the profile to be aesthetically pleasing and not be prone to snag either the holster or my clothing when drawn. The actual results were very satisfying as shown in the mockup below of attempt II.

The original P.38K mounted a front sight on the top of the slide, which I thought looked hideous...

I stayed with that version for my "new" carry gun until I traded it.

Zorba · 05-13-2015, 05:40 PM

Nine for Nine! 9" for 9mm...

Jim Solomon · 05-13-2015, 06:14 PM

7 " is my choice........
Jim

View Poll Results: What length?
six inch	7	29.17%
seven inch	10	41.67%
eight inch	7	29.17%
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05-10-2015, 09:51 AM	#21
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Rich, Looks like there was a factory seven inch! http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/c...on.htmlhttp:// http://www.gwm-shop.ch/Sammlerwaffe-...mm-Parahttp:// __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-10-2015, 12:35 PM	#22
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I would go with the 6" 9mm Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-10-2015, 07:50 PM	#27
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Everyone is overlooking the obvious barrel length. Attached Images

05-12-2015, 10:10 AM	#29
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Rich, this should be a fun project no matter what. I voted for 8"! __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

05-10-2015, 03:42 PM	#24
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 390 Thanks: 2,298 Thanked 184 Times in 91 Posts	I would go with the 6" in 30 cal.

05-12-2015, 10:19 AM	#30
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	I didn't vote cause there's no "leave the poor thing alone" option I still prefer the original version. The P38 is still our official sidearm since it replaced the Luger in 1961.

05-12-2015, 11:48 AM	#33
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	One additional vote for the "stubbie"! Bill __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

05-12-2015, 03:21 PM	#34
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Did someone say Stubbie? This one is also photoshopped from the other photo that was photoshopped, but I actually made this gun once, ... out of a mismatched gun I picked up at a gun show. It was so reliable that I carried it for several years... I also bobbed the hammer, and reduced the size of the manual safety to make it flatter so it was more easily concealed... I ended up trading it, and a reblued P.38 for a brand new Colt Gold Cup .45 while I was still competing in big bore matches. Attached Images __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-12-2015, 03:54 PM	#36
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Picture Fixed: Bobbed Hammer and Flattened Safety Lever More like this: Attached Images __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-13-2015, 05:40 PM	#39
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	Nine for Nine! 9" for 9mm...

05-13-2015, 06:14 PM	#40
Jim Solomon Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 199 Thanks: 700 Thanked 176 Times in 69 Posts	7 " is my choice........ Jim __________________ Jim Solomon dent2@frontiernet.net