2015 SOS gathering - Page 2

JTD · 03-04-2015, 10:52 AM

A unit marked Prussan pickelhaube, a guard marked stalhelm, a pickelhaube spike for a helmet I have, a 98K sling, 3 wood luger mags, lots of great pictures, a Prussan belt and buckle, and some other small stuff. Oh, also a 1912 DWM Grenadier unit marked luger (m/mag) with a nice Reichsrevolver holster thrown in. Got to handle and observe 3 RARE and historical B series prototypes that got their blessings as authentic from several people knowledgable enough to do so. Also learned more over a few drinks than a month with my nose in a book. Another highlight was a walk around the show with Ron Wood talking about lugers and life, then observe him de-authenticate a CC mag declared legit by several experts. (claim of the seller). He obviously did not know who he was talking to, but found out why it was fake quite quickly. (QUOTE: Want to put your money where your mouth is?...........) Purchase was declined. I REALLY wish we got together as a group more often. Jerry, we missed your company. John

lugerholsterrepair · 03-04-2015, 11:21 AM

John, Thanks for a detailed report! Yes, and I missed the company of many fine fellows I know! I am determined to keep working, trying to catch up on previous commitments. Glad you guys could do it.

lew1 · 03-04-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Yep, I deleted/edited my posts. Upon reflection, I know I won't be going next year- but I'd still like to hear about this years shows/reunion.

Did anyone find that elusive Luger they've always wanted???

I noticed that you specifically mentioned me and a couple of others. I was not sure how to rate the post.

sheepherder · 03-04-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

I noticed that you specifically mentioned me and a couple of others. I was not sure how to rate the post.

Did I??? I tend to ramble off-topic sometimes...I know i tried to figure out the expenses of driving to Louisville and staying at least one night...And buying at least one handgun...I was close to $1,000 and decided that I could cross that trip off my bucket list...

Edit: Oh!!! You mean the police roundup of homeless bums!!! Yeah, I have a strange sense of humor...Or so I'm told...

cirelaw · 03-04-2015, 12:08 PM

What does SOS stand for?? Eric

Ron Wood · 03-04-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

...I was close to $1,000 and decided that I could cross that trip off my bucket list..

It is expensive. With airfare, hotel and gun show purchases I am close to $2000 for this trip. But I am not getting any younger and this is the best venue to meet with my best friends and really enjoy top Luger observation and discussion. Sure, it is extravagant but it brings me a lot of joy.

Ron Wood · 03-04-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

What does SOS stand for?? Eric

See post #2 in this thread.

sheepherder · 03-05-2015, 08:41 AM

I was reading Ron from MN's 7-page thread over on the P38 forum yesterday on the Louisville shows and he mentioned many pictures taken...Do they allow picture taking at those two shows???

Here in NYS, at my end at least, picture taking at the gun shows is not allowed. I have no idea why (maybe flashes are disruptive?) but them's the rules. I was asked if my smartphone had picture taking capability at the door (even though I'm a member) and I just said "It's a BlackBerry" and was allowed to proceed...

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Originally Posted by lew1

I noticed that you specifically mentioned me and a couple of others. I was not sure how to rate the post.

Lew (or Charlie, or John, whatever) I don't recall mentioning anyone except Ed and Dwight, and them only from the Rogues Gallery pics. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing your posts anywhere here in the five years I've been a member...I'm guessing your Luger interests are wildly different from mine and we've never posted in the same thread...

...Until this one...

lew1 · 03-05-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I was reading Ron from MN's 7-page thread over on the P38 forum yesterday on the Louisville shows and he mentioned many pictures taken...Do they allow picture taking at those two shows???

Here in NYS, at my end at least, picture taking at the gun shows is not allowed. I have no idea why (maybe flashes are disruptive?) but them's the rules. I was asked if my smartphone had picture taking capability at the door (even though I'm a member) and I just said "It's a BlackBerry" and was allowed to proceed...

Lew (or Charlie, or John, whatever) I don't recall mentioning anyone except Ed and Dwight, and them only from the Rogues Gallery pics. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing your posts anywhere here in the five years I've been a member...I'm guessing your Luger interests are wildly different from mine and we've never posted in the same thread...

...Until this one...

Sorry, but I saw my name in the email of your post. You said, in the following order: "Dwight, Ed, and Lew...."

lew1 · 03-05-2015, 09:58 AM

Sorry.

I guess, with only a 1000 posts, 55 lugers in my collection, and being around for more than 6+ years, I am a newbie.

I have seen your threads, but then I pay attention to what is posted, and as a part of such, I get names correct.

Edward Tinker · 03-05-2015, 01:23 PM

Thought I would copy over my info from a posting I did the other day to here

First chance, sorry.

I have sold small items, nothing large, however, I have picked up two uppers, one a K date without a toggle,the other is a early 1st issue with later weimar barrel.

I picked up two early luger manuals, in English
I picked up some luger parts, to include a Simson tool and an unumbered but proofed eagle 6 breachblock.

Bought a shooter luger, it should be a $1400 or more police Luger, but the stock lug has been ground off.

Saw a 1925 SIMSON (crazy guy wants 35k.... I didn't bother telling him it might be worth 6-7 k)
Saw two other Simson, new numbers, one unit marked and one is an S toggle. $4,000 each

Saw a very nice 1902 carbine from a friend and a couple more.

Saw three consecutive 10k Serial number range B test lugers (not the 1000 group test lugers) but ones Georg Luger would have handled. Amazing and real...

Met many friends and a few new ones. Had a heck of a good time!!

Saw a lot of interesting things!

addendum - NONE of the three Simson were new on the listing - I gathered some additional info and have started keeping price (in the section no one sees) and also where and when I saw it (have done that for a long time).

Ed

sheepherder · 03-05-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

Sorry, but I saw my name in the email of your post. You said, in the following order: "Dwight, Ed, and Lew...."

I might have addressed the post to 'Lew' (it's what I thought your name was) but I only thought I recognized Ed, Dwight, and the Air Force sweatshirt guy...Whose name I don't know...From the old pics in the Rogues Gallery...

I really don't know anyone here personally, only from posts. Not much collector activity in my area. IthacaDave and Curly1 are the closest, and they're 5+ hours drive away.

So, in the spirit of friendship, "Hello Charlie!"

Our shows are mostly parts and clothing sales, rarely does anyone bring a 'collection' of anything to display. They used to, but something changed. Turkey calls, duck decoys, surplus BDUs, knives of all kinds, and truckloads of AR-15/M16 parts fill the tables now.

Maybe some day I'll show up at a large gun show.

lew1 · 03-05-2015, 09:17 PM

'LEW' is my wife's initials. But all my posts have Charlie at the bottom. You can't go by the registerd name or is your given name actually 'sheepherder' ???

And I recall that we did have discourse once as I have a friend who lives in E. Amherst and does gun shows and I was inquiring if you went to shows in his area.

As to Curly, I see him on the very bottom forum on Gunboards, but there I use my own initials and also sign the posts there as Charlie.

I grew up and came of age in Breathitt County, Kentucky. Eastern Kentucky is a different world. One of these days I will invite you down and we can drink some clear water and ride 4 wheelers over the hills .

I will keep you safe from the girls - a few years ago I was at my brother-in-law's house and a lady came to visit his wife. Good looking lady. I must have been looking too hard as my brother-in-law's wife informed me that the lady had shot and killed her last two boyfriends.

I belong to a few groups
Ohio Valley Military Society
Ohio Gun Collectors Assn
Pennsylvania Gun Collectors Assn
South Carolina Gun Collectors Assn
Alabama Gun Collectors Assn
Missouri Valley Gun Collectors Assn
Colorado Gun Collectors Assn
Browning Collectors Assn
National Automatic Pistols Collectors Assn

There is a nice show in Tulsa in about a month - 4000+ tables. You would enjoy it.

NGD & SOS are not bad shows, the size making them worthwhile to go to. You just have to watch your expenses. My supper at NGD/SOS each day was less than $5.00. Since I drove, I brought my own lunch and drinks. The motel (about 1/2 mile from the event center) offered a good (free) breakfast and was only $71.00 per night.

Now my friends lived high on the hog. The friend from NC spent $41.00 for supper one night. The couple from SC spent over $100.00 for supper one night. But you can get by cheaper and not be as spartan as I am.

A friend and his wife drove down from CT - they come to all of the NGD shows and they had farther to travel than you.

So you need to come. And actually you need to go to Tulsa. Since you don't have gun shows in NY, you need to come to some good ones.

sheepherder · 03-05-2015, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

'LEW' is my wife's initials. But all my posts have Charlie at the bottom. You can't go by the registerd name or is your given name actually 'sheepherder' ???

Sheepherder is military slang for a truck driver. I was actually a truck mechanic but since you had to be licensed to work on them, I was used most often as a driver. ("If you're too stupid to herd sheep, they make you a truck driver" was the saying).

And as a 'postino', I drove a truck for ~29 years also.

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And I recall that we did have discourse once as I have a friend who lives in E. Amherst and does gun shows and I was inquiring if you went to shows in his area.

I'm sorry to say I don't recall...An unhappy occurence that happens all too often these days...But if I did answer, I probably said I went to shows in Hamburg at the recetrack/fairgrounds, and occasionally the Attica show [fire hall, not too big!]. Rochester too, that's the only 'big' show locally.

Tulsa/anywhere in OK has never stirred my interest. I spent two weeks in Las Vegas/Nellis [Red Flag] and liked it; I might consider a show there. I've always thought when I retired I would tour the SouthWest and maybe settle in Arizona. I do have friends there. Also an ex-wife, which is why I'm not eager to go...yet...

But a large show would kindle my interest...

lew1 · 03-06-2015, 10:25 AM

After my daughter finished at Ft. Rucker, she was assigned to Korea. The 2nd or 3rd day there, there were a bunch of officers and enlisted grouped around. Her boss told her to take the truck and go pick something up. Even though it was not her MOS, she obeyed.

She hopped in the truck, put it in gear and took off. Apparently all the people watching were expecting her to grind the gears. They did not know that she grew up with standard transmission vehicles.

There are only 2 big shows. NGD/SOS with a total of about 4000 tables. And Tulsa with in excess of 4000 tables. NGD/SOS is more fruitful for our line.

Next year is hard to say as the twp shows will be on different dates. But still each show will be 2000 tables or so.

I am not sure how big the Dallas show is as I have never been there.

The Denver show , around 1500 tables, can be good. It is heavy on western stuff, so our type of buyer com[petition is low and sometimes a bargain can be found. Cheaper for me to go by plane than fly as the driving distance for me is 1250 miles - or 2 days each way.

I would like to visit my friend in E. Amherst and he keeps asking me to come up, but if I did so, I would be violating about 65 (or so it seems) NY laws and if caught, might never see the light of day again. He does shows on a nearby reservation and from his comments, it would be interesting.

sheepherder · 03-06-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

Apparently all the people watching were expecting her to grind the gears. They did not know that she grew up with standard transmission vehicles.

I drove the 5-ton M62. All non-synchromesh. Double-clutch every gear, up & down. A good workout.

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I would like to visit my friend in E. Amherst and he keeps asking me to come up, but if I did so, I would be violating about 65 (or so it seems) NY laws and if caught, might never see the light of day again. He does shows on a nearby reservation and from his comments, it would be interesting.

Nearby reservation? Military or Indian? East Amherst is about a half-hour drive straight South down the street in front of my house. I drove down to Sheridan Dr about two years ago to pick up a transmission for my Vette (it's in it now). East Amherst used to be bare fields, now it's one big long shopping mall/plaza/car dealerships...

lew1 · 03-06-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I drove the 5-ton M62. All non-synchromesh. Double-clutch every gear, up & down. A good workout.

Nearby reservation? Military or Indian? East Amherst is about a half-hour drive straight South down the street in front of my house. I drove down to Sheridan Dr about two years ago to pick up a transmission for my Vette (it's in it now). East Amherst used to be bare fields, now it's one big long shopping mall/plaza/car dealerships...

I believe that it is an Indian reservation.

MFC · 03-08-2015, 02:43 AM

I finally found a Persian artillery that I liked and was in my price range at the Military show.
Bob Simpson stopped at our table and examined it. He said it is one of the nicest he had ever seen. He made the comment that most Persians looked as if they were rolled down a rock cliff and had dings and nicks all over them.

Ron Wood · 03-08-2015, 06:50 AM

Super!!!

Diver6106 · 03-08-2015, 02:23 PM

Arizona's big show is the SAR Show at the Phoenix State Fair Grounds the first week of December. It has everything, but they have one building of military surplus and Class III weapons. They have Lugers throughout the show, but I go for unusual military parts and have bought 22LR kits and parts of kits. This last year I picked up a full upper that had been reworked to 22LR, see Luger picture under aluminum grips. It is a 1913 DWM #1057 matching upper with a permanent barrel insert, shortened front bolt machined for 22LR and hole drilled on left for rimfire, and a firing pin that had the front cone machined off and a firing pin welded on the left side. I need to do some more machining on the bolt so it will feed off a magazine, now just a single shot.

03-04-2015, 11:21 AM	#22
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03-05-2015, 09:58 AM	#30
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Sorry. I guess, with only a 1000 posts, 55 lugers in my collection, and being around for more than 6+ years, I am a newbie. I have seen your threads, but then I pay attention to what is posted, and as a part of such, I get names correct. __________________ charlie

03-05-2015, 01:23 PM	#31
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Thought I would copy over my info from a posting I did the other day to here First chance, sorry. I have sold small items, nothing large, however, I have picked up two uppers, one a K date without a toggle,the other is a early 1st issue with later weimar barrel. I picked up two early luger manuals, in English I picked up some luger parts, to include a Simson tool and an unumbered but proofed eagle 6 breachblock. Bought a shooter luger, it should be a $1400 or more police Luger, but the stock lug has been ground off. Saw a 1925 SIMSON (crazy guy wants 35k.... I didn't bother telling him it might be worth 6-7 k) Saw two other Simson, new numbers, one unit marked and one is an S toggle. $4,000 each Saw a very nice 1902 carbine from a friend and a couple more. Saw three consecutive 10k Serial number range B test lugers (not the 1000 group test lugers) but ones Georg Luger would have handled. Amazing and real... Met many friends and a few new ones. Had a heck of a good time!! Saw a lot of interesting things! addendum - NONE of the three Simson were new on the listing - I gathered some additional info and have started keeping price (in the section no one sees) and also where and when I saw it (have done that for a long time). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-05-2015, 09:17 PM	#33
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	'LEW' is my wife's initials. But all my posts have Charlie at the bottom. You can't go by the registerd name or is your given name actually 'sheepherder' ??? And I recall that we did have discourse once as I have a friend who lives in E. Amherst and does gun shows and I was inquiring if you went to shows in his area. As to Curly, I see him on the very bottom forum on Gunboards, but there I use my own initials and also sign the posts there as Charlie. I grew up and came of age in Breathitt County, Kentucky. Eastern Kentucky is a different world. One of these days I will invite you down and we can drink some clear water and ride 4 wheelers over the hills . I will keep you safe from the girls - a few years ago I was at my brother-in-law's house and a lady came to visit his wife. Good looking lady. I must have been looking too hard as my brother-in-law's wife informed me that the lady had shot and killed her last two boyfriends. I belong to a few groups Ohio Valley Military Society Ohio Gun Collectors Assn Pennsylvania Gun Collectors Assn South Carolina Gun Collectors Assn Alabama Gun Collectors Assn Missouri Valley Gun Collectors Assn Colorado Gun Collectors Assn Browning Collectors Assn National Automatic Pistols Collectors Assn There is a nice show in Tulsa in about a month - 4000+ tables. You would enjoy it. NGD & SOS are not bad shows, the size making them worthwhile to go to. You just have to watch your expenses. My supper at NGD/SOS each day was less than $5.00. Since I drove, I brought my own lunch and drinks. The motel (about 1/2 mile from the event center) offered a good (free) breakfast and was only $71.00 per night. Now my friends lived high on the hog. The friend from NC spent $41.00 for supper one night. The couple from SC spent over $100.00 for supper one night. But you can get by cheaper and not be as spartan as I am. A friend and his wife drove down from CT - they come to all of the NGD shows and they had farther to travel than you. So you need to come. And actually you need to go to Tulsa. Since you don't have gun shows in NY, you need to come to some good ones. __________________ charlie

03-06-2015, 10:25 AM	#35
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	After my daughter finished at Ft. Rucker, she was assigned to Korea. The 2nd or 3rd day there, there were a bunch of officers and enlisted grouped around. Her boss told her to take the truck and go pick something up. Even though it was not her MOS, she obeyed. She hopped in the truck, put it in gear and took off. Apparently all the people watching were expecting her to grind the gears. They did not know that she grew up with standard transmission vehicles. There are only 2 big shows. NGD/SOS with a total of about 4000 tables. And Tulsa with in excess of 4000 tables. NGD/SOS is more fruitful for our line. Next year is hard to say as the twp shows will be on different dates. But still each show will be 2000 tables or so. I am not sure how big the Dallas show is as I have never been there. The Denver show , around 1500 tables, can be good. It is heavy on western stuff, so our type of buyer com[petition is low and sometimes a bargain can be found. Cheaper for me to go by plane than fly as the driving distance for me is 1250 miles - or 2 days each way. I would like to visit my friend in E. Amherst and he keeps asking me to come up, but if I did so, I would be violating about 65 (or so it seems) NY laws and if caught, might never see the light of day again. He does shows on a nearby reservation and from his comments, it would be interesting. __________________ charlie

03-04-2015, 10:52 AM	#21
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	A unit marked Prussan pickelhaube, a guard marked stalhelm, a pickelhaube spike for a helmet I have, a 98K sling, 3 wood luger mags, lots of great pictures, a Prussan belt and buckle, and some other small stuff. Oh, also a 1912 DWM Grenadier unit marked luger (m/mag) with a nice Reichsrevolver holster thrown in. Got to handle and observe 3 RARE and historical B series prototypes that got their blessings as authentic from several people knowledgable enough to do so. Also learned more over a few drinks than a month with my nose in a book. Another highlight was a walk around the show with Ron Wood talking about lugers and life, then observe him de-authenticate a CC mag declared legit by several experts. (claim of the seller). He obviously did not know who he was talking to, but found out why it was fake quite quickly. (QUOTE: Want to put your money where your mouth is?...........) Purchase was declined. I REALLY wish we got together as a group more often. Jerry, we missed your company. John

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03-08-2015, 02:43 AM	#38
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I finally found a Persian artillery that I liked and was in my price range at the Military show. Bob Simpson stopped at our table and examined it. He said it is one of the nicest he had ever seen. He made the comment that most Persians looked as if they were rolled down a rock cliff and had dings and nicks all over them. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mike C.

03-08-2015, 06:50 AM	#39
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03-08-2015, 02:23 PM	#40
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 245 Thanks: 1,433 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	Arizona's big show is the SAR Show at the Phoenix State Fair Grounds the first week of December. It has everything, but they have one building of military surplus and Class III weapons. They have Lugers throughout the show, but I go for unusual military parts and have bought 22LR kits and parts of kits. This last year I picked up a full upper that had been reworked to 22LR, see Luger picture under aluminum grips. It is a 1913 DWM #1057 matching upper with a permanent barrel insert, shortened front bolt machined for 22LR and hole drilled on left for rimfire, and a firing pin that had the front cone machined off and a firing pin welded on the left side. I need to do some more machining on the bolt so it will feed off a magazine, now just a single shot.