Take down tool prices?

rodauto · 02-07-2015, 03:55 PM

Was on ebay a while ago, take down tools all selling in the hundreds of dollars (each) whatttt???? New to Lugers just trying to understand the logic.
Rodney

DavidJayUden · 02-07-2015, 04:23 PM

While I can't rationalize E-bay logic, I'd suggest a WTB ad in the appropriate column below. Costs nothing.
dju

mrerick · 02-07-2015, 04:30 PM

Be very careful dealing in these on Ebay.

There are a number of people faking them and selling them there...

A very rare genuine one can be expensive. For example, there is high demand for E/2 marked Krieghoff tools. But.... fake ones are not worth a fraction of what a real one is.

Marc

Ben M. · 02-07-2015, 04:32 PM

gun shows a nice place for hunting them too.

dwm unmarked took at shows about 75$

rodauto · 02-07-2015, 04:41 PM

Thanks guys, I thought there must be a rational explanation out there !
Rodney

George Anderson · 02-07-2015, 04:50 PM

Like anything else, the price is determined by rarity, originality and demand.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-07-2015, 06:48 PM

the price is determined by rarity, originality and demand, highlighted by people with more money than knowledge. Tools are something you need to study if you plan to buy very many. They are more complex than most people think. Like holsters..look at the item..shape and how it's made, size, color. THEN look at the markings. The two have to relate to one another or something ain't right. It has taken me years of study, some mentoring and handeling many tools to even begin to understand the subject. Not sure I understand it yet but I remain a student.

alvin · 02-08-2015, 06:18 AM

It's not easy to fake a gun from beginning to end due to the complication involved. But it's not hard to fake a take down tool. If paying serious money on it, better study it carefully.

alvin · 02-08-2015, 06:36 AM

But be honest, it's not easy to tell. In my hand, I have a copy of Blue Book of Gun Values (BB, 1992 Edition). Before the listing of those boring referencing gun price data, the author talked about practical gun collecting. Most collector book does not talk about this, but BB did. The author said:

"In this business, the experience gained in running guns through your hands has no substitue. I have known people who would quote from memory every gauge, choke, barrel, stock variation available for a Model 12 Winchester, yet these same people can't spot a reblued gun."

He said "in this business", in collectors' context, read it as "in this hobby". What he said was: experience is hard to gain via just reading books (beware not reading books is even worse, that's implied). So, even buy a few bad ones at cost of losing capital is not necessarily horrible, buyer gains experience in this process. Same for the tools.

Lugerdoc · 02-08-2015, 10:20 AM

Rodney et al, I have both original unmarked DWM tools @$60 and new repro E/63 marked Sarco tools @$20 + $5 S&H for either. I do also have some original Mauser E/63 or 655 marked ones in the $75 to $100 range. TH

rodauto · 02-08-2015, 11:04 AM

Thanks Tom,
Will give you a call once the bank account recovers from the Luger purchase .
With the difference in the Canadian dollar right now I'm likely looking at close to $100 Canadian for the DWM tool.
Rodney

02-07-2015, 03:55 PM	#1
rodauto User Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Take down tool prices? Was on ebay a while ago, take down tools all selling in the hundreds of dollars (each) whatttt???? New to Lugers just trying to understand the logic. Rodney

02-07-2015, 04:30 PM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Be very careful dealing in these on Ebay. There are a number of people faking them and selling them there... A very rare genuine one can be expensive. For example, there is high demand for E/2 marked Krieghoff tools. But.... fake ones are not worth a fraction of what a real one is. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-07-2015, 06:48 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,922 Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,434 Posts	the price is determined by rarity, originality and demand, highlighted by people with more money than knowledge. Tools are something you need to study if you plan to buy very many. They are more complex than most people think. Like holsters..look at the item..shape and how it's made, size, color. THEN look at the markings. The two have to relate to one another or something ain't right. It has taken me years of study, some mentoring and handeling many tools to even begin to understand the subject. Not sure I understand it yet but I remain a student. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-08-2015, 10:20 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Rodney et al, I have both original unmarked DWM tools @$60 and new repro E/63 marked Sarco tools @$20 + $5 S&H for either. I do also have some original Mauser E/63 or 655 marked ones in the $75 to $100 range. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-07-2015, 04:23 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	While I can't rationalize E-bay logic, I'd suggest a WTB ad in the appropriate column below. Costs nothing. dju

02-07-2015, 04:32 PM	#4
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 486 Thanks: 86 Thanked 121 Times in 81 Posts	gun shows a nice place for hunting them too. dwm unmarked took at shows about 75$

02-07-2015, 04:41 PM	#5
rodauto User Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Thanks guys, I thought there must be a rational explanation out there ! Rodney

02-07-2015, 04:50 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Like anything else, the price is determined by rarity, originality and demand.

02-08-2015, 06:18 AM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's not easy to fake a gun from beginning to end due to the complication involved. But it's not hard to fake a take down tool. If paying serious money on it, better study it carefully.

02-08-2015, 06:36 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	But be honest, it's not easy to tell. In my hand, I have a copy of Blue Book of Gun Values (BB, 1992 Edition). Before the listing of those boring referencing gun price data, the author talked about practical gun collecting. Most collector book does not talk about this, but BB did. The author said: "In this business, the experience gained in running guns through your hands has no substitue. I have known people who would quote from memory every gauge, choke, barrel, stock variation available for a Model 12 Winchester, yet these same people can't spot a reblued gun." He said "in this business", in collectors' context, read it as "in this hobby". What he said was: experience is hard to gain via just reading books (beware not reading books is even worse, that's implied). So, even buy a few bad ones at cost of losing capital is not necessarily horrible, buyer gains experience in this process. Same for the tools.

02-08-2015, 11:04 AM	#11
rodauto User Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Thanks Tom, Will give you a call once the bank account recovers from the Luger purchase . With the difference in the Canadian dollar right now I'm likely looking at close to $100 Canadian for the DWM tool. Rodney