.45 ACP/Shanxi Type 17 Broomhandle - Page 3

alvin · 01-11-2015, 07:08 PM

It's a 1980 exported instance.

The marking on the right, someone pointed out the way "18" wrote had two versions. This is one with digit 8 written in this more curved form. Another version has digit 8 written in more square form. Say, this curved form is sure being new export. Another square form of digit 8, also could be new export (but not always). Combined with above mentioned 4 checkpoints, it's easy to tell difference between old one and new one. For example, the grip screw head is on the left side, just like Mauser, that's a sign of new export. And, this condition... even Chinese Field Mashall's pistol is not in this condition.

But it's like Mauser 29/70, it's still a collectible. IMO. Many sellers asking $5000, $6000 on them, but its appearance rate on the market is too high to support that price level.

Regarding parts -- one possibility -- the frame with curved "8" (the 4th character from the right), was new frame. The frame with squared "8", was old frame left over from old days.

alvin · 01-11-2015, 07:34 PM

Typical pistol with Chinese provenance looks like following: either not much blue (Schnell), or lost fragile parts (Royal), or has replaced grip panels (Schnell and Shansei). Not always, but very typical. The 2nd one in disassembled form is really a top condition one, rare.

Sergio Natali · 01-12-2015, 02:57 AM

Thanks John (paladinpainter) and Alvin, John if you manage to find that article about "differences in the Chinese stampings" can you post it?.
Then I noticed that the so called 1980 copies are not milled all over, and their extractors often look as new as a Swiss Luger one.

Sergio

TheRomanhistorian · 01-13-2015, 01:46 AM

I'm bidding on one so we'll see which one I get. I'm not too fussed really, it's going to be more of an oddball collectible but maybe that will add to the discussion with more data points (with thanks to previous contributors, wow!).

01-11-2015, 07:08 PM	#41
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's a 1980 exported instance. The marking on the right, someone pointed out the way "18" wrote had two versions. This is one with digit 8 written in this more curved form. Another version has digit 8 written in more square form. Say, this curved form is sure being new export. Another square form of digit 8, also could be new export (but not always). Combined with above mentioned 4 checkpoints, it's easy to tell difference between old one and new one. For example, the grip screw head is on the left side, just like Mauser, that's a sign of new export. And, this condition... even Chinese Field Mashall's pistol is not in this condition. But it's like Mauser 29/70, it's still a collectible. IMO. Many sellers asking $5000, $6000 on them, but its appearance rate on the market is too high to support that price level. Regarding parts -- one possibility -- the frame with curved "8" (the 4th character from the right), was new frame. The frame with squared "8", was old frame left over from old days. Attached Thumbnails

01-11-2015, 07:34 PM	#42
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Typical pistol with Chinese provenance looks like following: either not much blue (Schnell), or lost fragile parts (Royal), or has replaced grip panels (Schnell and Shansei). Not always, but very typical. The 2nd one in disassembled form is really a top condition one, rare. Attached Thumbnails

01-12-2015, 02:57 AM	#43
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Thanks John (paladinpainter) and Alvin, John if you manage to find that article about "differences in the Chinese stampings" can you post it?. Then I noticed that the so called 1980 copies are not milled all over, and their extractors often look as new as a Swiss Luger one. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-13-2015, 01:46 AM	#44
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	I'm bidding on one so we'll see which one I get. I'm not too fussed really, it's going to be more of an oddball collectible but maybe that will add to the discussion with more data points (with thanks to previous contributors, wow!). __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers