.45 ACP/Shanxi Type 17 Broomhandle

[alvin]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Just to be clear - You're talking about "Mauser Export" 9mm cartridge??? The DWM #487 cartridge??? From about 1908...No relation to 9mm Parabellum or 9x21..

That's right. 9x25 Mauser Export (DWM 487). When did this cartridge appear was not clear... Julia Auction sold an engraved instance of 9x25 pistol from Sturgess collection, the pistol was supposed to be around 1904. So, I would think this powerful cartridge appeared in 1904, or slightly earlier.

But I did make a mistake. The "9x25 cartridge" in illustration was wrong. It's not 9x25, it's a much more common 9x23mm Largo cartridge (saw it longer in drawer and forgot it's 9x23, not 9x25, I don't have 9x25 ammo yet ). But that should not change above chamber fitness. 9mm Mauser Export case is 2mm longer than 9mm Largo -- 9mm Largo cartridge does not fit 7.63mm or 9x19mm pistol, larger 9mm Mauser Export cartridge won't fit them either.