Shooting My John Martz Restoration In An IDPA Match - Page 2

kubel · 11-12-2014, 10:20 PM

Interesting and impressive that you shoot this gun in competition. I often wondered why Lugers weren't utilized more for competitive shooting but heard it was because of the trigger. I'm not a gunsmith, but supposedly, the design of the Luger trigger system does not allow it to be modified much (if at all) to adjust the release point or smoothen the pull.

kurusu · 11-13-2014, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kubel

Interesting and impressive that you shoot this gun in competition. I often wondered why Lugers weren't utilized more for competitive shooting but heard it was because of the trigger. I'm not a gunsmith, but supposedly, the design of the Luger trigger system does not allow it to be modified much (if at all) to adjust the release point or smoothen the pull.

No, the Luger trigger can be adjusted just fine. I believe it's not used more often because of their collector/hard to replace broken numbered parts status.

PS I use a Luger in competitions too.

kubel · 11-13-2014, 09:56 AM

Hmm...instead of using a vintage Luger and worrying about breaking parts, I would think competitive shooters would opt for one of the newer postwar Stoeger/American Eagle versions.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that people competitively shoot with prewar and WWII P08's, but it would seem more logical to use one of the new/improved pistols with better metallurgy, especially if the triggers can be modified.

kurusu · 11-13-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kubel

Hmm...instead of using a vintage Luger and worrying about breaking parts, I would think competitive shooters would opt for one of the newer postwar Stoeger/American Eagle versions.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that people competitively shoot with prewar and WWII P08's, but it would seem more logical to use one of the new/improved pistols with better metallurgy, especially if the triggers can be modified.

One other reason Lugers aren't used more often is the sights of a bygone era standard.

The new Stoeger Lugers being in stainless steel only make things harder. And they have a bad rep, deserved or not, of not being up to standard to the originals.

Also it's harder to adjust the trigger mecanism with stainless components.

kubel · 11-13-2014, 10:49 AM

Ahh....I guess I didn't realize the new Lugers were stainless. And +1 concerning the sights.

Sergio Natali · 11-13-2014, 11:13 AM

Jonathan

I've always wanted to use one of my Lugers in a IDPA match, at least once, but at the range where I usually go I' m sure they wouldn't stop laughing! :-)

alanint · 11-13-2014, 12:08 PM

Until you sweep the match with your trusty P08!!

JonS/42 · 11-13-2014, 12:18 PM

I just commissioned Tactical Tailor in Lakewood, WA to produce a custom flap holster/dual magazine pouch/modular belt rig primarily for my IDPA forays with my Luger. I've done business with them for some time for other holsters and tactical gear that they produce, and been very favorably impressed-both with their basic products/product quality and their willingness to reasonably customize. I'll share some images once it's completed. I had a great time sitting down with Tactical Tailor's custom designer and collectively working through what we both think will be a viable, slightly modernized, yet somewhat "period" set-up. I've chosen to continue with the post-war flecktarn camouflage pattern....

He also provided a fabric protective patch (for the coyote brown cordura holster pictured in the images at the beginning of this thread) that covers the back surface of the metal gripper of the safety strap's snap, which I had removed to preclude finish scratching Charles Danner's superb rust blueing finish. I can now have a higher degree of retentiveness with that holster should I choose to use the safety strap with it (such as when carrying in the field where the holstered gun might be subject to jouncing around, should I ever choose to do so).

I agree with kurusu's comments vis-a-vis the Stoegar/Mitchell AIMCO stainess steel Luger reproductions. They do not enjoy a stellar reputation for operability, and as I recall they require their own specific magazines-if that's correct, I would assume that they're far harder to get than vintage "true" Luger magazines or modern MecGar Luger magazines, due to the limited production of the stainless steel Lugers. Back in the day, Gun Tests magazine concurrently tested one of the AIMCO-produced Lugers against a Mauser-produced and a DWM-produced Lugers, and it did not fare well...

Best, Jon

11-13-2014, 11:13 AM	#26
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Jonathan I've always wanted to use one of my Lugers in a IDPA match, at least once, but at the range where I usually go I' m sure they wouldn't stop laughing! :-) __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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kubel User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts	Interesting and impressive that you shoot this gun in competition. I often wondered why Lugers weren't utilized more for competitive shooting but heard it was because of the trigger. I'm not a gunsmith, but supposedly, the design of the Luger trigger system does not allow it to be modified much (if at all) to adjust the release point or smoothen the pull.

11-13-2014, 09:56 AM	#23
kubel User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts	Hmm...instead of using a vintage Luger and worrying about breaking parts, I would think competitive shooters would opt for one of the newer postwar Stoeger/American Eagle versions. Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that people competitively shoot with prewar and WWII P08's, but it would seem more logical to use one of the new/improved pistols with better metallurgy, especially if the triggers can be modified.

11-13-2014, 10:49 AM	#25
kubel User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts	Ahh....I guess I didn't realize the new Lugers were stainless. And +1 concerning the sights.

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Until you sweep the match with your trusty P08!!

11-13-2014, 12:18 PM	#28
JonS/42 User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Auburn, WA USA Posts: 32 Thanks: 4 Thanked 19 Times in 4 Posts	I just commissioned Tactical Tailor in Lakewood, WA to produce a custom flap holster/dual magazine pouch/modular belt rig primarily for my IDPA forays with my Luger. I've done business with them for some time for other holsters and tactical gear that they produce, and been very favorably impressed-both with their basic products/product quality and their willingness to reasonably customize. I'll share some images once it's completed. I had a great time sitting down with Tactical Tailor's custom designer and collectively working through what we both think will be a viable, slightly modernized, yet somewhat "period" set-up. I've chosen to continue with the post-war flecktarn camouflage pattern.... He also provided a fabric protective patch (for the coyote brown cordura holster pictured in the images at the beginning of this thread) that covers the back surface of the metal gripper of the safety strap's snap, which I had removed to preclude finish scratching Charles Danner's superb rust blueing finish. I can now have a higher degree of retentiveness with that holster should I choose to use the safety strap with it (such as when carrying in the field where the holstered gun might be subject to jouncing around, should I ever choose to do so). I agree with kurusu's comments vis-a-vis the Stoegar/Mitchell AIMCO stainess steel Luger reproductions. They do not enjoy a stellar reputation for operability, and as I recall they require their own specific magazines-if that's correct, I would assume that they're far harder to get than vintage "true" Luger magazines or modern MecGar Luger magazines, due to the limited production of the stainless steel Lugers. Back in the day, Gun Tests magazine concurrently tested one of the AIMCO-produced Lugers against a Mauser-produced and a DWM-produced Lugers, and it did not fare well... Best, Jon