First Luger

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 07:50 PM

http://s998.photobucket.com/user/sha...lideshow/LUGER

Opinions?
Thanks. Shawn

wlyon · 11-08-2014, 08:04 PM

Looks like a good honest luger. A lot depends on what you paid for it. Especially since it has some wear areas. Welcome to the Forum and the crazy world of luger collecting. Bill

DavidJayUden · 11-08-2014, 08:07 PM

Looks like a good one to me. Any ideas on the metal plate on the top, right grip? Inherited? What can you tell us about it's history?
dju

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 08:14 PM

This was sitting in a display case in a gun shop for the past 25 years. It is a bringback that was in a full chest of other German militaria from WW2. I was able to buy the Luger with what is pictured from the lot for $1100 out the door.

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 09:07 PM

One of the Gentleman on another forum gave
me a value of $800 on the top end for the whole rig.

alanint · 11-08-2014, 09:21 PM

If the gun is all matching and in the condition shown, the gun itself is worth at least what you paid. The holster another $150-$200+ and extra mags about $150 each.

I am also curious as to the grip modification. Clearly someone whent to alot of trouble to create that reenforced notch. I can't even venture an educated guess as to what it is meant for.

DavidJayUden · 11-08-2014, 09:22 PM

Was he trying to buy it from you for that?
dju

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 09:32 PM

No. He was answering a question. I asked him what it was worth. I also have an all matching 42 code 1939 dated K98 in about 85% condition, so I wasn't looking to sell it right now. Kind of uncanny to find 2 guns both coded and dated the same.

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 09:34 PM

Although it does need a lanyard loop as someone took it off. Clean holes and no damage where it was though. Any idea where to get one or who can install one?

Edward Tinker · 11-08-2014, 09:55 PM

Tom Heller here on the forum (was the Tom that Jerry mentioned) is on the forum as LugerDoc. But GT (who goes by G.T. here on the forum) can do almost anything mechanical like that.

Ed

shawn hoague · 11-08-2014, 10:03 PM

Thank you. Now where to get one???

Edward Tinker · 11-08-2014, 10:15 PM

Tom Heller on the forum may have it

put a want to buy here on the forums

mrerick · 11-09-2014, 09:53 AM

Hi Shawn, I saw the valuation discussion on Jan's forum. Jerry was taking many things into consideration when he answered your question .The reason is that there are many things that impact a Luger's value.

It's very unusual to see a lanyard loop removed from a Luger. For that reason, and because of the nature of the attachment, there are not a lot of spare lanyard loops floating around as parts. I expect that the best way to "acquire" one is to have it fabricated. It will then require installation and fitting (grinding down the peened stubs, an finishing things off). All of this is not inexpensive, and then you end up with a Luger that wasn't as it was when it left the factory.

Being as close to "factory state" as possible is the goal for Luger collecting. Any variance from that impacts collector value.

I think your Luger in that good condition is worth more than a basic "shooter" but not what a higher grade collectible Luger would bring. $1,100 for everything is reasonable.

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The slot and metal reinforcement in the left grip impacts value. This is not a "normal" modification. The combination of that and the removal of the lanyard loop makes me wonder if someone was trying to put together some kind of shoulder stock for it, or some kind of mount for a sight.

Marc

shawn hoague · 11-09-2014, 07:00 PM

Thanks. Anyone have any ideas on the grip mod?

DavidJayUden · 11-09-2014, 08:45 PM

It MAY help if you post photos here, not photobucket, showing very close-ups of the outside of the right grip, right side of the gun without the right grip, closeups of the metal plate, etc.
But, honestly, at this point I have no idea...
dju

shawn hoague · 11-10-2014, 09:20 PM

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DavidJayUden · 11-10-2014, 09:56 PM

That must be one short screw...
Any signs of cracks or other damage that the plate could be re-enforcing?
Or is there a lip on top that could help to secure it in the frame?
Is it glued in? Wonder what's underneath...
dju

shawn hoague · 11-10-2014, 10:10 PM

No crack, glue,etc. or anything. I might have to remove it for curiosity sake.

shawn hoague · 11-10-2014, 10:11 PM

Also, there is a notch out of the grip where it is.

DavidJayUden · 11-10-2014, 10:17 PM

Don't damage it for the sake of curiosity...
dju

11-08-2014, 07:50 PM	#1
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	First Luger http://s998.photobucket.com/user/sha...lideshow/LUGER Opinions? Thanks. Shawn

11-08-2014, 08:04 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,656 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,620 Times in 972 Posts	Looks like a good honest luger. A lot depends on what you paid for it. Especially since it has some wear areas. Welcome to the Forum and the crazy world of luger collecting. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-08-2014, 09:55 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Tom Heller here on the forum (was the Tom that Jerry mentioned) is on the forum as LugerDoc. But GT (who goes by G.T. here on the forum) can do almost anything mechanical like that. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-09-2014, 09:53 AM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Hi Shawn, I saw the valuation discussion on Jan's forum. Jerry was taking many things into consideration when he answered your question .The reason is that there are many things that impact a Luger's value. It's very unusual to see a lanyard loop removed from a Luger. For that reason, and because of the nature of the attachment, there are not a lot of spare lanyard loops floating around as parts. I expect that the best way to "acquire" one is to have it fabricated. It will then require installation and fitting (grinding down the peened stubs, an finishing things off). All of this is not inexpensive, and then you end up with a Luger that wasn't as it was when it left the factory. Being as close to "factory state" as possible is the goal for Luger collecting. Any variance from that impacts collector value. I think your Luger in that good condition is worth more than a basic "shooter" but not what a higher grade collectible Luger would bring. $1,100 for everything is reasonable. - - - - The slot and metal reinforcement in the left grip impacts value. This is not a "normal" modification. The combination of that and the removal of the lanyard loop makes me wonder if someone was trying to put together some kind of shoulder stock for it, or some kind of mount for a sight. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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11-08-2014, 08:07 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like a good one to me. Any ideas on the metal plate on the top, right grip? Inherited? What can you tell us about it's history? dju

11-08-2014, 08:14 PM	#4
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This was sitting in a display case in a gun shop for the past 25 years. It is a bringback that was in a full chest of other German militaria from WW2. I was able to buy the Luger with what is pictured from the lot for $1100 out the door.

11-08-2014, 09:07 PM	#5
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	One of the Gentleman on another forum gave me a value of $800 on the top end for the whole rig.

11-08-2014, 09:21 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	If the gun is all matching and in the condition shown, the gun itself is worth at least what you paid. The holster another $150-$200+ and extra mags about $150 each. I am also curious as to the grip modification. Clearly someone whent to alot of trouble to create that reenforced notch. I can't even venture an educated guess as to what it is meant for.

11-08-2014, 09:22 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Was he trying to buy it from you for that? dju

11-08-2014, 09:32 PM	#8
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No. He was answering a question. I asked him what it was worth. I also have an all matching 42 code 1939 dated K98 in about 85% condition, so I wasn't looking to sell it right now. Kind of uncanny to find 2 guns both coded and dated the same.

11-08-2014, 09:34 PM	#9
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Although it does need a lanyard loop as someone took it off. Clean holes and no damage where it was though. Any idea where to get one or who can install one?

11-08-2014, 10:03 PM	#11
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you. Now where to get one???

11-08-2014, 10:15 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Tom Heller on the forum may have it put a want to buy here on the forums

11-09-2014, 07:00 PM	#14
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks. Anyone have any ideas on the grip mod?

11-09-2014, 08:45 PM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It MAY help if you post photos here, not photobucket, showing very close-ups of the outside of the right grip, right side of the gun without the right grip, closeups of the metal plate, etc. But, honestly, at this point I have no idea... dju

11-10-2014, 09:56 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	That must be one short screw... Any signs of cracks or other damage that the plate could be re-enforcing? Or is there a lip on top that could help to secure it in the frame? Is it glued in? Wonder what's underneath... dju

11-10-2014, 10:10 PM	#18
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No crack, glue,etc. or anything. I might have to remove it for curiosity sake.

11-10-2014, 10:11 PM	#19
shawn hoague User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, there is a notch out of the grip where it is.

11-10-2014, 10:17 PM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Don't damage it for the sake of curiosity... dju