New baby and im not sure what i have

bullin82 · 10-29-2014, 12:29 PM

Like stated I just bought a "new" Luger and im not sure what I have, what year or where its from. I know its 9mm and all numbers match but the take down lever. On the back of the receiver and bottom of the barrel there is a small circle with a triangle inside (not well pictured) any help is greatly appreciated.

kurusu · 10-29-2014, 12:36 PM

Portuguese Army contract 1909. So called M2. If barrel is original it's not 9mm but .30 Luger.

Around 3500 made.

Edward Tinker · 10-29-2014, 01:00 PM

I was thinking many of these were rebarrelled but I am far from an expert...

bullin82 · 10-29-2014, 01:13 PM

If they rebarrelled it then they took the time to put the same S/N on it as the receiver, which I would think still counts as number matching but not to sure. So I paid about 800 for it did I make a bad move?

DavidJayUden · 10-29-2014, 01:20 PM

No you did fine.
Are you certain that it is 9mm, or just assuming? The exterior profile in the photo looks .30 to me.
But regardless, $800 is a very reasonable price.
FYI, the M over the chamber has to do with the ruler of Portugal as the time. These have been discussed extensively in other posts.
Looks like it needs a thorough but careful cleaning.
dju

kzullick · 10-29-2014, 01:48 PM

By the look of that long barrel I'd say its a boy!

bullin82 · 10-29-2014, 01:58 PM

I was told it was 9mm (still need to gauge it) but if its .30 then so be it, ill just buy a new ammo set for it.

mrerick · 10-29-2014, 07:53 PM

You can check the size of the barrel easily from the muzzle...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=pencil

These Lugers in original condition are sought after and somewhat valuable as collectibles.

If it's all matching and in original condition, most collectors would not fire it for fear of breaking a numbered part. One that is more rare would be collectible with a mis-numbered take down lever.

You bought this well below it's market price.

Marc

Ben M. · 10-29-2014, 09:09 PM

orignal barrel should have the porto proof on the underside. same mark as on the left side and the back.

sheepherder · 10-29-2014, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullin82

So I paid about 800 for it did I make a bad move?

I think you made a great buy. A Portuguese M2 Luger is on my Want List. Excellent start to a collection.

kurusu · 10-30-2014, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I was thinking many of these were rebarrelled but I am far from an expert...

M2s were never rebarreled in Portuguese service. At least not to change the caliber.

kurusu · 10-30-2014, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullin82

If they rebarrelled it then they took the time to put the same S/N on it as the receiver, which I would think still counts as number matching but not to sure. So I paid about 800 for it did I make a bad move?

The gun was not rebarreled since it has the matching serial number and the circled triangle acceptance mark.

Most likely it's .30 luger.

Edit. Can you post a picture with the safety lever engaged? It's a way to find out if it was refinished. The safety lever, the take down lever and the trigger should be originaly strawed but from your pictures I can't really tell.

bullin82 · 10-30-2014, 11:07 AM

So laugh at me if you must I can take it, but I read that you can use .32 acp rounds in a .30 luger....(it was on the internet so it must be true right lol). Again any and all info is greatly appreciated.

kurusu · 10-30-2014, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullin82

So laugh at me if you must I can take it, but I read that you can use .32 acp rounds in a .30 luger....(it was on the internet so it must be true right lol). Again any and all info is greatly appreciated.

Nope! you can't use .32 acp rounds in a .30 Luger.

.32 acp is smaller and straight walled. .30 luger is a bottle neck cartridge.

Take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65%C3%9721mm_Parabellum

bullin82 · 10-30-2014, 11:27 AM

Thanks for the heads up, guess I'll start looking for rounds

rhuff · 10-30-2014, 01:26 PM

You should be able to locate some 30 luger ammo. I will suggest that you purchase Fiocchi 93gr FMJ ammo. The JSP ammo does not work well at all in my Lugers......but does in other folks guns. Try ammoseek and other ammo locating links.

DavidJayUden · 10-30-2014, 01:53 PM

I have found the stuff on Gunbroker.com too.
dju

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bullin82 User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New baby and im not sure what i have Like stated I just bought a "new" Luger and im not sure what I have, what year or where its from. I know its 9mm and all numbers match but the take down lever. On the back of the receiver and bottom of the barrel there is a small circle with a triangle inside (not well pictured) any help is greatly appreciated. Attached Thumbnails

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	You can check the size of the barrel easily from the muzzle... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=pencil These Lugers in original condition are sought after and somewhat valuable as collectibles. If it's all matching and in original condition, most collectors would not fire it for fear of breaking a numbered part. One that is more rare would be collectible with a mis-numbered take down lever. You bought this well below it's market price. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-29-2014, 12:36 PM	#2
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Portuguese Army contract 1909. So called M2. If barrel is original it's not 9mm but .30 Luger. Around 3500 made.

10-29-2014, 01:13 PM	#4
bullin82 User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If they rebarrelled it then they took the time to put the same S/N on it as the receiver, which I would think still counts as number matching but not to sure. So I paid about 800 for it did I make a bad move?

10-29-2014, 01:20 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	No you did fine. Are you certain that it is 9mm, or just assuming? The exterior profile in the photo looks .30 to me. But regardless, $800 is a very reasonable price. FYI, the M over the chamber has to do with the ruler of Portugal as the time. These have been discussed extensively in other posts. Looks like it needs a thorough but careful cleaning. dju

10-29-2014, 01:48 PM	#6
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 236 Thanks: 682 Thanked 102 Times in 83 Posts	By the look of that long barrel I'd say its a boy!

10-29-2014, 01:58 PM	#7
bullin82 User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was told it was 9mm (still need to gauge it) but if its .30 then so be it, ill just buy a new ammo set for it.

10-29-2014, 09:09 PM	#9
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 498 Thanks: 96 Thanked 145 Times in 90 Posts	orignal barrel should have the porto proof on the underside. same mark as on the left side and the back.

10-30-2014, 11:07 AM	#13
bullin82 User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So laugh at me if you must I can take it, but I read that you can use .32 acp rounds in a .30 luger....(it was on the internet so it must be true right lol). Again any and all info is greatly appreciated.

10-30-2014, 11:27 AM	#15
bullin82 User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the heads up, guess I'll start looking for rounds

10-30-2014, 01:26 PM	#16
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,306 Thanks: 2,736 Thanked 992 Times in 728 Posts	You should be able to locate some 30 luger ammo. I will suggest that you purchase Fiocchi 93gr FMJ ammo. The JSP ammo does not work well at all in my Lugers......but does in other folks guns. Try ammoseek and other ammo locating links.

10-30-2014, 01:53 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I have found the stuff on Gunbroker.com too. dju